[StratMaster]

I only hope they caught the attacker and the creature's behind bars.

Going to trial now...

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/46fd1f0388d0e11acebeb09aba385353

 

[MisterMills357]

Rephrasing The Question: How would you have responded, as a witness to that crime?

If I had been behind the counter, . . . and had seen it come in, . . . the ax would have gone out the way it came in.

Had I not seen the ax, . . . when it started swinging the thing, . . . weapon would have been drawn, . . . and shots would have gone down range, . . . pronto.

As a customer, . . . just seeing that thing in there would have given me reason to exit stage left, . . . with at least one eye on it as I move to the door.

Nut cases are out there, . . . just avoid them.

Long story: ran into one couple days ago outside Wally world, . . . just kept going, . . . got out of his AO, . . . no problem for "me" that day, . . .

May God bless,
Dwight

I would not have exited the store, I would have confronted, or gotten ready to use deadly force. If she raised that axe, I would have killed her.

Best defense against crazy is to not engage crazy. I find this works with women as well.....

Sad, but true.

If you have a visible weapon in your hand, I'm going to have one in mine.
These people were oblivious.

Distance is your friend. That man got waaay too close. Put obstacles between you and the potential threat, and get out when you can.
In a world where we are being told we can't judge people, we are creating people who lack the ability to discern threats.

Distance is your friend, it is true. After you saw the attack however, what would you have done?

This is exactly right. Some freak who can't decide on their sex comes in carrying an axe? Why would you even let them get close enough to you to use it, let alone turn your back to them?

This is exactly what "tolerance and co-exist" gets you...

True, and now there is chaos because of co-exitance. How would you have intervened? I an rewording my original question in ways. What would you do if she swung it, on the first guy? Would you go after her?

The problem with the poll is the question is written in a way that assumes a response is coming from someone who is NOT one of the two people attacked. In no way were either of the victims capable of preventing harm simply due to 1. he probably thought it was a joke & was way too close to begin with and 2. she never paid any attention. If anyone else in the store saw this from a distance, I doubt they'd have time to actually react, draw, and effectively put any shots on target.

The only way you could have stopped the guy from getting whacked is to shoot 'it' before the axe went back. In order to do so, you'd already have drawn and aimed. And you'd be criminally liable right out of the gate. Could you have stopped the woman from getting blind-sided? Maybe.... if you were exceedingly well trained in the deployment of a handgun and in one of a few 'ideal' locations relative to the attack. Otherwise, you'd have probably missed and either shot the victim or punched a couple holes in the ice cream freezer or a parked car.

The best most of us here could have done is attempt to detain the assailant using your piece. And unless you yourself are attacked, you'd better keep your finger off the trigger.

Says who? If you witness a felony take place, you are within your rights to make a citizens arrest/intervene violently. I have personally done that myself. And I was acquitted.

A general reply:
OK, I could have written the question in a better way, that is true. Now I want to ask something else, if you had witnessed that bastard raise its ax and strike those people, would you intervene? Would you pursue the cretin, and get very violent, until it surrendered, or it died right there?

All of us have an obligation to love out neighbor as ourselves, and I would have pursued it, and I would mean business. She committed a grievous crime, and I would have gone after her.
And it would have been stop her or die trying. There is solid legal footing for doing that, such as using citizens arrest, after viewing an obvious attempted murder.

The other implied question would be, would you watch it, and not get involved? Maybe because of legal issues, and fear of prosecution, or weariness at an idiot society, gone bananas?
Because that is what that was, something went bananas.

 

[Back Pack Hack]

OK, I could have written the question in a better way, that is true. Now I want to ask something else, if you had witnessed that bastard raise its ax and strike those people, would you intervene? Would you pursue the cretin, and get very violent, until it surrendered, or it died right there?

All of us have an obligation to love out neighbor as ourselves, and I would have pursued it, and I would mean business. She committed a grievous crime, and I would have gone after her.
And it would have been stop her or die trying. There is solid legal footing for doing that, such as using citizens arrest, after viewing an obvious attempted murder.

The other implied question would be, would you watch it, and not get involved? Maybe because of legal issues, and fear of prosecution, or weariness at an idiot society, gone bananas?
Because that is what that was, something went bananas.

If I felt I could intervene with a positive outcome, yes, I would. But to just consider 'kill' is a bit extreme. There's no way to say, "Yes, I would shoot" simply because the element of where I would be in relation to the attacks have everything to do with it. If I was outside, I may not even see the guy take it in the chops. And even if I did, would I even be able to see beyond 'it' attacking the woman to be sure there's no innocents beyond my target?

Odds are, personally, there would be nothing I could have done to mitigate either attack. I would, however, draw and attempt to detain 'it'. Failing that, I'd follow, piece drawn, just in case 'it' decides to repeat the act on others. And I'd make sure 'it' knew I was present with a firearm and willing to use it if 'it' wants to go to round 3.

 

[Kauboy]

Distance is your friend, it is true. After you saw the attack however, what would you have done?

What can a civilian do?
If the attacker is leaving the scene you have one of two options, and this will depend on your state laws.
In some states, if you perceive that the person is still a lethal threat to the public, you can pursue, confront, and try to stop them, a la the Sutherland Springs hero, Stephen Willeford. (this is not legal advice, and WILL land you in jail in many states)
In all states, letting the person leave and tending to the wounded is the humanitarian option.

What would I do? In Texas? Pursue, confront, command compliance, wait for their decision, and respond accordingly. If they keep going, so do I until cops show up. If they lie down, I keep them there. If they turn toward me, they never get close enough.

 

[AquaHull]

If I had been behind the counter, . . . and had seen it come in, . . . the ax would have gone out the way it came in.

Had I not seen the ax, . . . when it started swinging the thing, . . . weapon would have been drawn, . . . and shots would have gone down range, . . . pronto.

As a customer, . . . just seeing that thing in there would have given me reason to exit stage left, . . . with at least one eye on it as I move to the door.

Nut cases are out there, . . . just avoid them.

Long story: ran into one couple days ago outside Wally world, . . . just kept going, . . . got out of his AO, . . . no problem for "me" that day, . . .

May God bless,
Dwight

Why I voted no.

Being English, Irish, German, Cherokee, Lakota, I'm already messed up. Put that crap in front of me, I'd rather leave, but sometimes I don't and wont

 

[Kauboy]

Going to trial now...

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/46fd1f0388d0e11acebeb09aba385353

Damn fine work finding this!

An excerpt: (my emphasis added)

He said she had "excruciating" physical and psychiatric pain from a gender reassignment operation she'd travelled to Thailand with her family to have, and had "resorted to taking cannabis".
He said before her gender reassignment, Ms Amity had been known as Karl Amati, had worked as a unionist for seven years, and was "brilliant" intellectually.
But after becoming a woman, she had increased her cannabis use and took both antidepressants and female hormones.
However, he said Ms Amati was "dead set against any amphetamines" and had "unwittingly" taken some on the night of the attack which adversely affected her.
On the night, three types of "feminising hormones", cannabis, MDA and alcohol was "a toxic mixture on a fragile mind" which had resulted in "a gory, gory scene".
Mr Waterstreet said he would call psychiatrists who would testify Ms Amati had been in "a toxic delirium" and a "drug-induced psychosis".
He said she had tried to take her life twice since the surgery and had believed on the night a potential girlfriend thought she was "too ugly".

I just read that as "a mentally disturbed man could not accept his reality, succumbed to the lies about gender identity, had his genitals mutilated, couldn't live with the fact that that STILL didn't make him a woman, was a constant user of illegal drugs, and eventually lead to a few suicide attempts and 2+ counts of assault with a deadly weapon."

Did anyone else take a different read?

 

[Lunatic Wrench]

So already mentally unstable, taking drugs, hormone meds and drinking, oh ok, not your fault, you can go.

 

[NewRiverGeorge]

When dealing with a melee weapon like this, distance is your friend. Either move out of the weapons range to deal with the threat or close the gap. In order for an ax to be used to its potential, some type of wind up must occur. In this situation if you can't effectively make distance, you should close the distance. When they try to wind up (with both hands most likely), you will have your opportunity.

 

[Deebo]

My answer- After first three swings- Draw down on it, and demand it lay down. Wait for police. If it takes one step towards me BANG BANG
If I was inside the store, and saw it come in with an axe, would back off, and yell "put that axe down now", with my weapon drawn but pointed at floor.

 

[The Tourist]

with my weapon drawn but pointed at floor.

Thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten. I learned that "depressed pistol" was the in between position of holstered and draw a bead. Clearly a command and depressed pistol would have been the first line of defense.

 

[Pioneer461]

Meet deadly force, with deadly force. Shoot to stop the attack, not necessarily to kill anyone. If the attacker dies, occupational hazard.

 

[MisterMills357]

Why I voted no.

Being English, Irish, German, Cherokee, Lakota, I'm already messed up. Put that crap in front of me, I'd rather leave, but sometimes I don't and wont

Ha,ha,ha! Yeah there is a lot of blending in America, I think that I have every bloodline that Great Britain has to offer, plus some German. No is an acceptable answer, there would be a lot of Hell to pay, if you shot the bastard.

Damn fine work finding this!

An excerpt: (my emphasis added)

I just read that as "a mentally disturbed man could not accept his reality, succumbed to the lies about gender identity, had his genitals mutilated, couldn't live with the fact that that STILL didn't make him a woman, was a constant user of illegal drugs, and eventually lead to a few suicide attempts and 2+ counts of assault with a deadly weapon."

Did anyone else take a different read?

That act of his, constituted attempted murder, IMHO. And no, he will never be a woman, so he should have been the best man he could be. But that is water over the dam, and it was inexcusable of him to attack people with an ax. That is one reason that I said, I would kill him; once he raised that axe, it would have been a fight to the death. Either his or mine.

So already mentally unstable, taking drugs, hormone meds and drinking, oh ok, not your fault, you can go.

A fine bit of irony, if I ever saw it.

When dealing with a melee weapon like this, distance is your friend. Either move out of the weapons range to deal with the threat or close the gap. In order for an ax to be used to its potential, some type of wind up must occur. In this situation if you can't effectively make distance, you should close the distance. When they try to wind up (with both hands most likely), you will have your opportunity.

Quite so NRG, most people do not think that way, but closing the distance can turn the fight to the defenders advantage.

My answer- After first three swings- Draw down on it, and demand it lay down. Wait for police. If it takes one step towards me BANG BANG
If I was inside the store, and saw it come in with an axe, would back off, and yell "put that axe down now", with my weapon drawn but pointed at floor.

Me personally, I might have drawn if I had a gun, and I would have aimed at his forehead. And I would have ordered him to get on the floor, and then I would have blown him away, when he raised the axe.

 

[bigwheel]

I don't think either one of them saw it coming. Of course, it's not every day someone walks into the Kwik-E-Mart packing like Paul Bunyan. I think the best defense would have been to maintain distance. But the guy seemed to be having a cordial conversation with....... 'it'.

Reminds me of a slighly similar deal I got involved with as a Leo. Two democrats walked into the office of a tote the note car lot..one of which was toting a baseball bat and both acting pretty nonchalant. They used it to bonk the owner in the head which caused brain damage and led to the guys death a few months later. Dont think I could reist popping a cap on the axe swinger as soon as I saw the the first harmful swing. Might just shoot her penis off and see if that caused a cessation of hostilities.

 

[MisterMills357]

Reminds me of a slighly similar deal I got involved with as a Leo. Two democrats walked into the office of a tote the note car lot..one of which was toting a baseball bat and both acting pretty nonchalant. They used it to bonk the owner in the head which caused brain damage and led to the guys death a few months later. Dont think I could resist popping a cap on the axe swinger as soon as I saw the the first harmful swing. Might just shoot her penis off and see if that caused a cessation of hostilities.

In my mind, that is the proper way of thinking, an since axe is very deadly weapon. I carry a Jo with me, to most places that I go; and I will use it.

I have witnessed an attack, by a guy using a baseball bat; the guy who was attacked, ended up with a broken arm and a bad gash in his head. I heard both blows land: one went thud {arm} and one went ping {head}. I looked out in time to see the guy take a blow to his head, and I took off out of my door, unarmed, to help him.

I found him lying in the shadows, hiding from the attacker, and I helped him as much as I could. I would have really messed up the attacker if he had showed up; I would have broken his arm and shoulder bare handed.

I know how it is done and I will do it. I did not have a gun on me because I was out on bond, for another incident in those projects. {PS: I won my case.}

 

[chemikle]

first of all I would keep my eyes on anyone walking in with a freakin axe , plus without a cover mask , after the first hit I would straight away shoot in the legs to take her down , I would avoid to kill her , but thats maybe because we dont have crazy shit like that happen here randomly so we have different mentality

 

[MisterMills357]

first of all I would keep my eyes on anyone walking in with a freakin axe , plus without a cover mask , after the first hit I would straight away shoot in the legs to take her down , I would avoid to kill her , but thats maybe because we dont have crazy shit like that happen here randomly so we have different mentality

The first and least thing that I would have done, would have been to get a weapon in my hand; and then I would have ordered him to drop the axe.
And I would have been close enough to him, so that I could take him out; and close enough that his axe would have been of little use to him.

I would have obtained a weapon, and that can be something as simple as a can of soup, can be used to brain a human.
All that has to be done, is to comprehend that the rim of the can is very hard; and it can be used to crack a human skull.

[I probably would have killed him with my knife; because he would not carry that axe in my presence. And that is all that there is to say about it.]
[I am giving the can as an example of an expeditious weapon: but the event took place in England I believe, where knives are now forbidden.]

 

[The Tourist]

I agree with Pioneer461. I would meet force with double the force. I like knives, no question about it, but I carry my P238 whenever I go out--especially when it comes to crowds.

I also believe in being situationally aware. The moment the axe made it's appearance I would have emptied my pistol into the attacker. This is a case where the attacker had to be on his back immediately.

 

[MisterMills357]

I agree with Pioneer461. I would meet force with double the force. I like knives, no question about it, but I carry my P238 whenever I go out--especially when it comes to crowds.

I also believe in being situationally aware. The moment the axe made it's appearance I would have emptied my pistol into the attacker. This is a case where the attacker had to be on his back immediately.

That is the spirit, empty a 9mm into him, and kill his sorry self. I don't carry a gun, so I would have to get primitive with a knife and stick. But I would get it done, or die trying.

 

[The Tourist]

I don't carry a gun, so I would have to get primitive with a knife and stick.

Actually I'm more dangerous with a knife than a pistol. I usually carry a Boker Kalashnikov 74 switchblade. However, the OP defined the issue as "with an axe." Obviously, in a situation with hand-held weapons, the axe has the distance advantage over a jackknife. For that scenario, you just have to shoot him.

 

[Alteredstate]

Meet deadly force, with deadly force. Shoot to stop the attack, not necessarily to kill anyone. If the attacker dies, occupational hazard.

I disagree with this. Our society has no compass any longer and can no longer perform the hard task of picking the lesser of two evils. This person will get a deffence lawyer who will claim the doctor who perscribed the phsico tropic drugs need to facilitate the hormones for the sex change was at fault, the assailant will go to a state ward for 36 months and be let out with a new perscription.

It is your Civic duty to protect those who can not protect them selves.

If the opportunity to eliminate a threat against our society presents itself, finish the job.