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You can refer to it as petty, but the reality of the situation is, the officers are doing less enforcement of the law than they previously were. That's a bad precedent.
No, I would not be willing to do it. That's why I'm not a cop. That's why he shouldn't be a cop either.
When you agree to do a job, and you refuse to do that job, you should find a different job.
And no, I'm not going 20+ miles over the speed limit multiple times a day. They don't chase ANY speeder. 5 miles over, or 40.

I'm not taking an anti-cop position here. Your history will bias your view of what I'm saying. I'm being as objective to the situation as I can be.
If a person cannot fulfill the duties of their civil service role, they should not simply be able to ignore their public duty. They should accept that the job changed, and they are no longer suited to it.
Yes, that can mean sacrifice.
But in many cases and many places, the rules have changed. Not the laws, well maybe some, but the rules of engagement are being changed by the cities.

And say what you will, but those nearing retirement age do what they need to do. They've worked hard to be where they are, and just because the rules of engagement have changed, they do what they need to do to survive. I didn't agree with the rules in my last job, but I had no control over the rules, so I did what I needed to do in order to retire. I had a number of friends there also who did the same thing. We got out as quickly as we could.

Imagine if you will, you've worked a lifetime doing your job. The rules get changed, you are close to retirement, and you quit on principle. Now you're too old to get another job, you can't pay your mortgage or taxes, buying food and medication is becoming harder. No, I can't fault what they do. And regardless of what the law says, many employers frown on hiring older folks.
 

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Imagine if you will, you've worked a lifetime doing your job. The rules get changed, you are close to retirement, and you quit on principle. Now you're too old to get another job, you can't pay your mortgage or taxes, buying food and medication is becoming harder. No, I can't fault what they do. And regardless of what the law says, many employers frown on hiring older folks.
Now imagine the job you took was literally to put yourself in harm's way to create a more peaceful society... and you chose not to, but still take the paycheck.

Do whatever you can live with. I will still judge a man on his principles and actions, not his intentions.
 

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In reality, I doubt that our two arguments are very far apart.

You can refer to it as petty,
It's not my opinion, it's the legal term for the only class of violation lower than a misdemeanor.

the reality of the situation is, the officers are doing less enforcement of the law than they previously were. That's a bad precedent.
I never met an Officer who didn't want to do his job but their hands were tied by weak DA's, liberal city counsels and state legislators and weak department policies.

And no, I'm not going 20+ miles over the speed limit multiple times a day.
No one said anything about going 20 over (that's getting into careless driving or maybe even reckless driving) You just said "chase speeders', speeding means going faster than the posted speed limit. ALL of us have gone faster than the posted speed limit at some point.

Your history will bias your view of what I'm saying.
That's almost certainly true and I would argue that your lack of history (with this subject) gives you a biased, idealistic view of realities of law enforcement.
 

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In reality, I doubt that our two arguments are very far apart.


It's not my opinion, it's the legal term for the only class of violation lower than a misdemeanor.


I never met an Officer who didn't want to do his job but their hands were tied by weak DA's, liberal city counsels and state legislators and weak department policies.


No one said anything about going 20 over (that's getting into careless driving or maybe even reckless driving) You just said "chase speeders', speeding means going faster than the posted speed limit. ALL of us have gone faster than the posted speed limit at some point.


That's almost certainly true and I would argue that your lack of history (with this subject) gives you a biased, idealistic view of realities of law enforcement.
I didn't provide the whole conversation in detail. But if you'd like more information, yes, he explicitly stated that they don't chase anyone, regardless of speed, unless they are showing impaired driving or are an active danger to other drivers. This leads to the officer's discretion coming into play. Each may respond differently. But his position was that none of his fellow officers pursue speeders any longer.
Driving in excess of 10% faster than the posted speed limit is a misdemeanor in Texas, not a petty offense. You may not have known where I'm from, or our laws, so no real harm in this misunderstanding.
I do not have an idealistic view of police. As I said, I'm applying this objectively, and apply it the same across all job roles. If a person will not fulfill the role for which they were hired, they should find a different job.
 

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Potato, Potahto. Texas calls a minor traffic violation a Class C Misdemeanor, New Mexico calls them a Petty Misdemeanor.

My last comment on the subject(I hope): your friend doesn't get into a pursuit (insanely dangerous) unless there's an obvious/active danger to others. He sounds like a wise and prudent officer who's willing to stand in harm way when others are in danger but he's not willing to create the danger himself over a simple traffic violation.
 

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Potato, Potahto. Texas calls a minor traffic violation a Class C Misdemeanor, New Mexico calls them a Petty Misdemeanor.

My last comment on the subject(I hope): your friend doesn't get into a pursuit (insanely dangerous) unless there's an obvious/active danger to others. He sounds like a wise and prudent officer who's willing to stand in harm way when others are in danger but he's not willing to create the danger himself over a simple traffic violation.
People have always driven fast, and it's always been responded to with a pursuit to stop the person breaking the law.
The violation hasn't changed.
The danger hasn't changed.
Our enforcement of laws has changed......
To the degree that this change is institutional or officer-driven would vary by department.

I'll stand by my position that if someone is unwilling to fulfill the role they were hired to do, they should find a different line of work.
 

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People have always driven fast, and it's always been responded to with a pursuit to stop the person breaking the law.
The violation hasn't changed.
The danger hasn't changed.
Our enforcement of laws has changed......
To the degree that this change is institutional or officer-driven would vary by department.

I'll stand by my position that if someone is unwilling to fulfill the role they were hired to do, they should find a different line of work.
So much crime has become a non-crime. Even theft, in many places, has gone from a felony to writing a ticket but mostly ignored.

In my area, it's rare to see people stopped for speeding by any of the local PD's. The town I live in has a citizens' police academy, so the public can get familiar with the local police. I took that class, and we were told they toned speeding tickets way down due to many citizens complaining.
 

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People have always driven fast, and it's always been responded to with a pursuit to stop the person breaking the law.
Are you confusing a pursuit with a traffic stop? A pursuit is when cops have to chase some jackass until he t-bones an innocent motorist at an intersection or wraps himself around a phone pole. A pursuit is a big deal. It requires a mountain of paperwork and, almost always, involves a use of force review because someone, almost always, gets hurt or killed.
 

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Are you confusing a pursuit with a traffic stop? A pursuit is when cops have to chase some jackass until he t-bones an innocent motorist at an intersection or wraps himself around a phone pole. A pursuit is a big deal. It requires a mountain of paperwork and, almost always, involves a use of force review because someone, almost always, gets hurt or killed.
There is no confusion, though you may wish to create some.
I'm using the literal definition of "pursuit".
"the action of following or pursuing someone or something."
You can continue to enjoy using whatever vernacular you wish, but I'm going to stick with layman terms.

The fact stands, they are not pursuing speeding drivers if that is the only witnessed illegal activity.
 

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Your just being silly now. I'm done.
You're trying to turn this into a discussion about vocabulary in an attempt to make me sound uninformed.
I'm conveying a message and an opinion using simple terms. I'm not confusing anything about it.
 

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Even as left as the Atlanta City Government is they have already come out against these bozo's. Looks like people are tired of out of town Soros funded professional protestors coming into their town and causing problems. #lockthemup
 

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After a number of innocent people, including women and children, were killed by drivers evading high speed pursuits, new rules governing pursuits were established by our local agencies in the interest of public safety.

I have two step sons who are law enforcement officers. We love the police in our house.
 

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After a number of innocent people, including women and children, were killed by drivers evading high speed pursuits, new rules governing pursuits were established by our local agencies in the interest of public safety.

I have two step sons who are law enforcement officers. We love the police in our house.
I can seek clarification, but the way it was conveyed to me was that the decision was per officer, not per department.
I don't expect anyone to go beyond what their department allows/advises.
 

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That disabling can be used for a variety of purposes. Not all of them for the good of the people.
Never enough placing and reading of this, which should be jr high school:
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism,
and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of
communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals,"
which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be
used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question
by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations
are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world
government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily
by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the
curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, and policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was
told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion
pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of
"separation of church and state." (Remember these goals were published to expose them in 1958) Coincidence?
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a
minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies,
welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric
disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who
oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use ["] united force ["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over
domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

How we ended up with all these weak minded helpless control freaks so easy to use is beyond me? Had to be the porn, dope and yoo-no-hoo voting
 

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Some guy resisted arrest in florida and now they can all riot, burn and steal in ny and everywhere else (they cant resist any excuse now....soon)
 

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Nothing happening out here in rural America.
Let the big cities run by Democrats and their anti-police policies reap what they have sown.
 

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Nothing happened in suburban America either.
Ironically, these anti-cop turds only raise hell where they know they have police protection. They know what will happen if they leave the deep blue downtown areas.
 
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