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Been lurking these forums for a while, finally registered and figured I would share this if you haven't seen it already. It is a trigger assembly for an AR-15 that essentially turns your AR full auto. It comes with a selector to switch between safe > single shot > "full auto". The price is high as hell, but if you have the money, it is still pretty badass. Best of all, it comes with a letter from ATF (which I would recommend keeping with your rifle at all times) that basically states the trigger assembly is not an NFA item and is perfectly legal to use in current AR's/does not fall under "modfication of a semi-automatic rifle to a machine gun".

Anyways, here is the link: Tactical Fire Control, Inc.Tactical Fire Control, Inc.

Thoughts? Price aside, it seems pretty badass, though I personally think a single shot is more effective than full auto in a SHTF scenario, but thats a completely separate discussion.

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So it's a full auto trigger assembly. That doesn't sound like something the ATF would approve to me at all. At least without NFA paperwork either.
Fuzzee, I watched the video, and read the ATF letter, seems it an adaptation and do doubt an improvement to the "bump stock" idea. Auto is considered one pull of the trigger and the weapon continues to shoot until the trigger is released, Semi of course, requires one pull one fire (and thereby is the loophole they are using) If I am understanding this correctly, with this trigger, as with the bumpstock, you are still only getting one shot per pull of trigger, avoiding the "automatic" like with the bumpstock, the recoil of the weapon causes a person finger to pull the trigger faster than a person normally could, resembling full auto when fired.
I have shot my buddy's AR-10 with a bumpstock, once you get the feel for it, it does act like full auto, which I have shot the M16 when I was in the Army. My guess is it is legal (as of right now) but like the guy said, I would darn sure keep the letter with me when I had it out, and most gun ranges probably would have a problem with you shooting it.
If I wanted a weapon that would preform "like an auto" I would give is some serious thought, it probably works better than the bumpstock.
 

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Dave,
Or local range has banned the use of bump fire devices, they use to allow then and now don't something, and I don't know what, happened to change their stance on bump fire devices. Can't say as I blame them.
 

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Even if it's as advertised, it's pricey to just have around. If I had cash to burn I sould see having an AR so equipped but put away. I have always preferred semi auto though.
 

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Auto fire is a last resort a hail mary. Except in longer distance area coverage with larger caliber weapons they seldom hit the mark.
Final line of defense has been breach all hope is lost let it rip, but other wise just a Move plot.
Even the M4 is 3 round burst for a reason. The only squad level full auto weapon is the SAW 249 it is a suppression weapon .
Full auto fire makes them stay put and keep their heads down while the rifle man does the killn
 

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I think we are missing the point of the slide fire and this trigger product. It does not force you to use more ammo... It is just there if you choice to ever use it.
Experience has shown me that when it hits the fan only the best trained can avoid just spraying rounds it the auto function is there .
It gets real scary real fast
 
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Fuzzee, I watched the video, and read the ATF letter, seems it an adaptation and do doubt an improvement to the "bump stock" idea. Auto is considered one pull of the trigger and the weapon continues to shoot until the trigger is released, Semi of course, requires one pull one fire (and thereby is the loophole they are using) If I am understanding this correctly, with this trigger, as with the bumpstock, you are still only getting one shot per pull of trigger, avoiding the "automatic" like with the bumpstock, the recoil of the weapon causes a person finger to pull the trigger faster than a person normally could, resembling full auto when fired.
I have shot my buddy's AR-10 with a bumpstock, once you get the feel for it, it does act like full auto, which I have shot the M16 when I was in the Army. My guess is it is legal (as of right now) but like the guy said, I would darn sure keep the letter with me when I had it out, and most gun ranges probably would have a problem with you shooting it.
If I wanted a weapon that would preform "like an auto" I would give is some serious thought, it probably works better than the bumpstock.
Ok, if that's the way it is. I don't need it myself as others have expressed when it comes down to it. I've trained since I was a kid for making my shots count, conserving ammo and precision in all aspects of weaponry. The Army said, one shot one kill and that's makes sense. I can't afford to waste ammo these days regardless.
 

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Some studies have shown that in the Vietnam war 50,000 rounds down range to produce 1 hit.
Sounds crazy? the environment ,full auto fire with the M16A1 and reliance on volume of fire virus shot placement.
Full auto is hard to control even in well trained hands, shots are often waked into the target.
Think about this firing rate of say 500-600 rounds a minute 20 to 30 round mags, standard combat issue load 210 rounds rifleman, machine gunner 400 plus other members of fire team carry 100 for the Saw total 800 rounds for machine gunner 630 rounds for the rife man. Saw fires up to 800 rounds a minute.
On full auto all hell broke lose no control of fire how long can you fight.
Infantry fire team/squad 4 men 3 rifles 1 203 and a Saw 249 used wisely a force all it's own uncontrolled 4 dead men.
 

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Seems like a rather slow rate of fire too. Add me to the waste of ammo camp. Give me an accurate rifle with a controllable rate of fire.
 

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I appreciate the heads up, but I don't expect I'll be a part of a final protective line, nor do I expect to be a member of a team likened to a couple of my past. If so, I'd bite the bullet and get a full-auto. I can see how it would be a fun toy to have, but I'm not willing to waste the ammo. I guess I'm too stingy. Besides that, I have other things that must be bought and am trying to get them while other bills are being dumped on me.

I'll pass it along to some other people with too much ammo and money. I thank you for them in advance. They'll be in Kudzu-Commando Heaven!
 

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Many moons ago, a company manufactured a trigger disconnect mechanism that fit inside the trigger guard of any semi automatic rifle. It cost a whole lot less than what these folks are selling and was just about as good. As one other says it automatically breaks a shooters trigger pull so that the trigger keeps resetting. But other than a great way to drain a bank account. it takes a whole lot of practice ammo to learn how to properly fire a weapon on "full auto"
 
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