[MaterielGeneral]

Well, I politely disagree. Do you know how many bones I've broken taken the Rambozo route? Massad Ayoob used to carry a five dollar bill in a book of matches. When tempers flared--usually in a bar--he'd throw the book of matches at the aggressors and say, "Here, have one on me." That was Massad Ayoob, not only an author, but he ran a pistol training school called "Lethal Force Institute."

Most fights are chest-thumping affairs. We are not going to survive going from muscular idiot to muscular idiot in TEOTWAWKI.

While I agree with you I also disagree on the side of being prepared. At the prison we were taught de-escalation, talking a prisoner down, etc. You can talk a person down but not always and those times that you cannot you have to be prepared to use force. Hell some times the ignorant side of me geeked the person up just so I could fight but then like I said ignorant and it was a long time ago.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

But if all hell breaks loose, and it's every person for themself, you're better off pooling resources and forming alliances. There is still safety in numbers.

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I agree there is safety in numbers but if the numbers are unskilled the few that are skilled and trained will slaughter those that have no skill.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

In hand to hand combat training at my beloved island, the first thing the instructor told us was to do anything and everything to avoid hand to hand combat.
A rock. A stick. Anything to avoid getting that close to the enemy.

And then he proceeded to teach us hand to hand combat.
Go figure.

I agree with the OP; Every time you squeeze that trigger you are that much closer to using a bow, a spear, a club, no matter how deep you stock.
Unfortunately none of us have the Green DoD logistical machine providing us with boxes and boxes of ammunition via the S4 and weekly flights of C-17s to our BOL.

There are those who promote MMA. I think I would rather train with a sword, or other impact weapon.
The question is, where to get that kind of training?

Good post, you made a good comment. As far as to where to get that kind of training that is research. I found that it comes down to location, location, location. The only thing local that I have is the Taekwondo and some MMA. What I really want is the Ninjutsu that is the next town over about 40 miles away. But money also comes into play.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

@MaterielGeneral Put two guys in a ring and let them go at it hard and they are both winded within a minute and a half. That is unless one or both of them conditions their cardio. That's why if it comes down to a fist fight get it over as quickly as possible. Hammer fist to their clavicle and their arm is now useless. A good throat punch and they are done. And if worse comes to worse take their eyes out.

I studied Martial Arts and fought in tournaments in my 20's. My first Dojo was in someones garage learning Taekwondo. From their I moved on to Kenpo and Jeet Kune do. All the fancy moves in the movies look really cool but most aren't practical. Most martial arts training is expensive, I would suggestion trying to find some classes at a local Jr. College, learning annex or YMCA.

As for sword fighting check into Kendo. There was a Japanese church by my old house that taught this. I used to go and watch them practice. Even with a bamboo stick these guys could do some damage.

Yes I looked into Kendo but nothing local. Kendo does look pretty cool and fun. I would have a field day.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

@MaterielGeneral martial arts is definitely on my bucket list. Keep us posted if you find some place you like that teaches you well! I for one would like to know.

I sure will Annie

 

[MaterielGeneral]

I may have told this story before, one of my nephews is a Black Belt Karate. He trained Karate for 15 or so years. In my opinion, his parents put him in Karate because he was "bullied".

At the time of the incident, he was in his early 20's, a grown ass man as far I was concerned. I was in my early 50's...

Nephew dipshit was smarting off to me one day and his final words were something like "Uncle Slippy, I'll whip your..."

In less than two seconds I had him on his back, my hand on his throat, my knee on his chest and my 230+lbs (at the time) of pissed off old 6'4" fat-man making it hard for little karate boy to breathe.

Yes, he cried "uncle" and Yes he peed his pants.

He ain't said shit to me since...

LOL, Slippy you kind of told your age Grandpa, LOL.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

Long ago an older (maybe 60) ex- NFL football player told me to never get into a fight with an old man. He said they don't have the wind for a long fight so they don't play around; an older man will go for the kill immediately, unlike a young buck like I was at the time. No "fight fair" when fighting.

I'm still young enough to dance and take a swing but now days I don't fight fair, I grab something and swat the ball out of the park quickly.

The muscle strength is still there, but the wind to go for a while isn't.

You speak the truth.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

I meant to post this first. Thanks for all the comments, sorry it took so long to respond. I was working outside all day and then in the evening I had to go over to my buddies house for a get together. Thanks again.

 

[WhatTheHeck]

Good post, you made a good comment. As far as to where to get that kind of training that is research. I found that it comes down to location, location, location. The only thing local that I have is the Taekwondo and some MMA. What I really want is the Ninjutsu that is the next town over about 40 miles away. But money also comes into play.

About a decade ago, I lived just outside of a major metropolitan area. I joined a gym that hosted a number of differing self-defense disciplines.
I went the Krav Maga route. It was great.
I have done judo too, but to be honest, I was not into all the formal names, the outfit etc. I think I learned more from my old high school wrestling days.

Now, living in the boonies, unless the local Amish have some hidden Thunderdome I do not know about, it is at least an hour away from something like that.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

One thing that I forgot to mention is that for those that think they are to old, you maybe to old for a physical fight but you are not to old to teach what you have learned to a younger generation.

 

[Gator Monroe]

The days of fisticuffs are in their twilight , an armed society is a polite society .

 

[Prepared One]

When I was young, my Pappy told me to remember the code of the gunfighter. There is always someone, somewhere, faster, stronger, and meaner then you. Did I listen? Of course not. In my younger days, where I lived, fighting was part of the deal. I was a brawler, my brother did the martial arts thing. Won some, lost some. Seen the emergency rooms and jail cells up close and personnel, even when I won. Those days of stupidity and bravado are well behind me and at my age I am of a mind that discretion is the better part of honor. My Pappy had another saying; " Chose your battles wisely".

These days I keep myself from harms way as best I can. Situational awareness and experience goes a long way. I will go if forced, and if forced, you can be sure of one thing. I will do my level best to take you out fast and hard. I ain't playing by the Queensberry Rules or going 15 with ya.

But, these days I would sooner walk by the angry young men and go have a cold beer. :tango_face_wink:

 

[The Tourist]

But, these days I would sooner walk by the angry young men and go have a cold beer. :tango_face_wink:

I'll go with you, but we can't drink in Madison. No guns allowed here in saloons.

 

[Slippy]

I'll go with you, but we can't drink in Madison. No guns allowed here in saloons.

Funny story, Son1 and Son2 had both moved out of the house and were pursuing their educational and occupational dreams. Both had reached the age of ability (as defined by the socialist government of the state of which we resided) and the whole family had our concealed carry weapons permits. They were visiting for the weekend and we decided to go out to our favorite wing/beer joint. Each of us had adequate firepower with us, including Mrs S.

I asked Mrs S if she would mind if I had an adult beverage and she said no, so I handed my weapon over to her. Both Sons looked at her and she replied without them asking, "hand 'em over boys"

So Mrs S walks into the bar with 4 handguns, 2 on her hip and 2 in her purse so that her idiot husband and sons could have wings and a beer together...

 

[Prepared One]

Funny story, Son1 and Son2 had both moved out of the house and were pursuing their educational and occupational dreams. Both had reached the age of ability (as defined by the socialist government of the state of which we resided) and the whole family had our concealed carry weapons permits. They were visiting for the weekend and we decided to go out to our favorite wing/beer joint. Each of us had adequate firepower with us, including Mrs S.

I asked Mrs S if she would mind if I had an adult beverage and she said no, so I handed my weapon over to her. Both Sons looked at her and she replied without them asking, "hand 'em over boys"

So Mrs S walks into the bar with 4 handguns, 2 on her hip and 2 in her purse so that her idiot husband and sons could have wings and a beer together...

There outta be a law........

 

[WhatTheHeck]

Funny story, Son1 and Son2 had both moved out of the house and were pursuing their educational and occupational dreams. Both had reached the age of ability (as defined by the socialist government of the state of which we resided) and the whole family had our concealed carry weapons permits. They were visiting for the weekend and we decided to go out to our favorite wing/beer joint. Each of us had adequate firepower with us, including Mrs S.

I asked Mrs S if she would mind if I had an adult beverage and she said no, so I handed my weapon over to her. Both Sons looked at her and she replied without them asking, "hand 'em over boys"

So Mrs S walks into the bar with 4 handguns, 2 on her hip and 2 in her purse so that her idiot husband and sons could have wings and a beer together...

That, is without a doubt, one of the best stories of responsible firearm ownership I think I have ever heard.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[The Tourist]

Yeah, but Prepared One, we still get the beer, don't we?

 

[NewRiverGeorge]

I have been preparing by watching this...

 

[The Tourist]

As preppers, I think we should be careful what we ask for. For example, if threatened (and there's no way out) I'd just pull a knife, but not for what you're thinking.

I make a living using my hands, and if I breaks a few fingers, where in TEOTWAWKI am I going to find a doctor skilled in resetting bones and searching for nerve damage?

My point is, everything is going to be in short supply, including your health. I've read where some folks are saving tobacco to use for trade bait. If the marauders don't get you, a lung will.

Personally, looking at issues of attack as a prepper, the most valuable weapon I own is the Crimson Trace. Ever know a guy who still wants to fight the police when a red dot appears on his center mass?

 

[Sasquatch]

I have been preparing by watching this...

Do they call it the 12 year old girl slap fight style?

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