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Check out this video from J.J. of Reality Survival, What he would do after a self defense shooting.


In the video he gives an example of what you should say to the police and I really like it. Instead of just lawyering up you give a small explanation and show that you will cooperate while lawyering up.

"I would like to speak to an attorney before I provide a written statement or answer any questions. But I want you to know that I am the victim of this crime and that I was afraid for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I will sign the complaint against the criminal. But because the issue is so serious I would like to consult with an attorney before answering any aditional questions."

He also gives some aditional advice that I thought was good and I added to it to further expand your actions that you should follow thru with.

As soon as you stopped the threat, kick the criminals weapon away from him and do not touch. You do not want your prints on it. When the scene is safe, make a brief video and pictures of the scene, do not speak while you are filming, your attorney may want to use your video in court. If there is a serious fact that should be pointed out then make a very quick secondary video. Holster your weapon when officers arrive to show you are not the threat. Show arriving officers any evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you received any wounds. Also point out any surveillance cameras in the area(some cameras are on a loop and if you do not remove the video it may get recorded over). Point out any witnesses that saw the incident happen. If anybody tries to leave before the police arrive ask them to stay. If they still insist on leaving then take a picture of them and/or their lisence plate number.

Forward text/email copies of your pictures and vidoes to another source that law enforcement cannot immediately seize like an email account that is not accessible from your phone for safe keeping your attorney would be a very good recipient. Keep your phone password protected and do not release your password until you speak to your attorney. Get the names of reporting officers, badge numbers and the report number of the incident for your attorney.

Somewheres in the process after the scene is safe you will want to provide first aid to other victims and the criminal or get a bystander(s) to assist you in rendering aid. Becareful that evidence will not be disturbed or destroyed. When the criminal tries to sue you for shooting him or her it will look better that you provided aid after you defended yourself from being attacked. Keep your mouth shut except to your spouse or your attorney. There is no statu of limitations for murder.

Something to consider is that 911 will try to keep you on the line until the cops get there. Either do your quick video before you call or politely but firmly tell them you have to go and hang up on them.
 

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Pretty much everyone I know has a "mushy brain" moment(s) after shock and adrenaline, Id be calling in a BDA and practically speaking English

Vids like this are good, but taking another person life sucks really bad, add the emotional and psychological trauma and remembering what to say and what to do becomes much harder.

I guess my plan is render aid if the guy/gal isnt dead, kick the weapon(s) away and wait for the cops, ask for a lawyer and take the ambulance to the hospital call the wife en route...dont think itll go as smooth but ther it is

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Pretty much everyone I know has a "mushy brain" moment(s) after shock and adrenaline, Id be calling in a BDA and practically speaking English

Vids like this are good, but taking another person life sucks really bad, add the emotional and psychological trauma and remembering what to say and what to do becomes much harder.

I guess my plan is render aid if the guy/gal isnt dead, kick the weapon(s) away and wait for the cops, ask for a lawyer and take the ambulance to the hospital call the wife en route...dont think itll go as smooth but ther it is

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I am going to shorten what I wrote on the original post to the bare minimum and print it off and have several copies. My wallet and truck, wife's purse and KIA and a couple around the house. Besides a shooting it will still be useful for other incidents like bashing in the head of an intruder with a baseball bat or any other use of force self defense incidents firearm/non firearm related.

That way after the incident you have something to jog your memory and you basically have a script to go off of. Just have to remember that you have it, LOL.
 

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I am going to shorten what I wrote on the original post to the bare minimum and print it off and have several copies. My wallet and truck, wife's purse and KIA and a couple around the house. Besides a shooting it will still be useful for other incidents like bashing in the head of an intruder with a baseball bat or any other use of force self defense incidents firearm/non firearm related.

That way after the incident you have something to jog your memory and you basically have a script to go off of. Just have to remember that you have it, LOL.
Thats actually a good idea...like taping 9 line cards to my PSC5, I get really retarded after getting shot at...guess its better than during

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I am going to shorten what I wrote on the original post to the bare minimum and print it off and have several copies. My wallet and truck, wife's purse and KIA and a couple around the house. Besides a shooting it will still be useful for other incidents like bashing in the head of an intruder with a baseball bat or any other use of force self defense incidents firearm/non firearm related.

That way after the incident you have something to jog your memory and you basically have a script to go off of. Just have to remember that you have it, LOL.
Not a bad idea having a reminder. The less said to the cops while appearing to be cooperative the better. Police, when in doubt, will often arrest everyone and let the judge sort it out.
 

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I am going to shorten what I wrote on the original post to the bare minimum and print it off and have several copies. My wallet and truck, wife's purse and KIA and a couple around the house. Besides a shooting it will still be useful for other incidents like bashing in the head of an intruder with a baseball bat or any other use of force self defense incidents firearm/non firearm related.

That way after the incident you have something to jog your memory and you basically have a script to go off of. Just have to remember that you have it, LOL.
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I'd like to see your wallet notes when complete.
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I am going to shorten what I wrote on the original post to the bare minimum and print it off and have several copies. My wallet and truck, wife's purse and KIA and a couple around the house. Besides a shooting it will still be useful for other incidents like bashing in the head of an intruder with a baseball bat or any other use of force self defense incidents firearm/non firearm related.

That way after the incident you have something to jog your memory and you basically have a script to go off of. Just have to remember that you have it, LOL.
Don't forget your kids, teach them that if they get in a jam they do not speak unless you are present so that you can decide if they need an attorney or not. If they are older and handle weapons hunting or target shooting or self defense this is mandatory.
 
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At my age the first thing I say to the officer at the scene is I've got serious chest pains going on and should go to the ER please. And I'm not able to speak further. At the ER I ask them to call my wife. She knows the attorneys number.
you got it guy - don't be a sap and listen to this video BS ... there isn't a defense attorney on the planet that would agree with that strategy ... the DA will be interviewing every cop on the scene and looking for stupid moves like that to exploit ....

KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT !!!!! .... call 911 with care and look out for anyone else that's on the phone or taking pics .... and watch out for dashboard & body cameras/audio .... don't forget - absolutely EVERTHING gets used against you - you aren't a citizen anymore - you're the DA's enemy and target to be checked off on his professional prosecution record .... defense defense defense

remember what happened to Zimmerman - everything was OK until the soon-to-be BLM brought in the race card ... the law means nothing
 

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I'd like to see your wallet notes when complete.
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Pocket sized statement, print off back to back. Laminate and put in your wallet/purse, vehicle, bedroom, near your most widely used exterior door. Basically put it where you will have access to it. Below is the statement and an abbreviated to do list. Familiarize yourself with the above to do list so you can better relate it to the abbreviated list.

"I would like to speak to an attorney before
I provide a written statement or answer any
questions. But I want you to know that I am
the victim of this crime and that I was afraid
for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself
the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully
cooperate with your investigation and I will sign
the complaint against the criminal. But because
the issue is so serious I would like to consult with
an attorney before answering any additional
questions."

Stop the threat, kick the criminals weapon away
from him and do not touch. When scene is safe,
make a brief video and pictures of the scene
for your attorney. Forward email/text to 3rd party.
Render 1st Aid to assailant/victims. Show officers
evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you
received wounds. Point out any surveillance
cameras and any witnesses If witness leave take a
picture of them/plate number. Get names of
officers/badge# and the incident report number
for attorney. Watch your words and actions.
Watch for interrogation techniques Stand by
your decision to remain silent until you speak to
your attorney. You have a legal right to remain
silent, hold your ground, do it firmly but with
respect.

You will have to copy and past to Word or whatever. You will have to adjust the size also. #10 font seemed pretty good.
 

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Sounds good as a hypothetical, but I have a feeling if I were ever in that situation, I'd be lucky to remember my name, let alone taking care of any details.

Also, I wonder how it would look to be so calm and collected as to take videos and notice evidence. I mean, in a situation where you really fear for your life and you've just killed someone, wouldn't it almost come across as premeditated if you're doing all of the things he suggested?
 

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Sounds good as a hypothetical, but I have a feeling if I were ever in that situation, I'd be lucky to remember my name, let alone taking care of any details.

Also, I wonder how it would look to be so calm and collected as to take videos and notice evidence. I mean, in a situation where you really fear for your life and you've just killed someone, wouldn't it almost come across as premeditated if you're doing all of the things he suggested?
I don't trust Jack especially if they wear a uniform. Cover your *ss. Your almost guaranteed your going to jail and to trial. I don't care what others think. Only people I care about is the jury. I have no problem explaining how I followed my training and after the scene was safe I took a couple pics and a short video to give to my attorney.

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Don't forget your kids, teach them that if they get in a jam they do not speak unless you are present so that you can decide if they need an attorney or not. If they are older and handle weapons hunting or target shooting or self defense this is mandatory.
This is a big issue. With Government and the school districts taking away parental rights some parents here in Colorado are requiring the children to carry this card and are instructed to keep quite and turn over the card. Some parents demanded that this card also be put into the students file:

ATTENTION

Due to my rights under the Constitution, I will not waive
my rights to have an Attorney and my parent(s) or guardian
present when a law enforcement officer or school official
requests an interrogation of any indecent that takes place
at school, at home or any other location, public or private.

This all started with Colorado's bullying law. Seems school officials along with LE want carte blanche with minors in this state.
 

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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment

First, teach them the Fifth Amendment, they will thank you later. THEN: I would teach my kids to "zip it up" and wait for a mouth-piece, to do your talking for you.
That is why God put them there.
:tango_face_smile:

I would also advise them to talk to ME, the father, before they talk to the mouth-piece. Because it is legal for cops to impersonate lawyers.
The best policy, is to say nothing at all while in custody: because the legal system is adversarial, it is your opponent, not your friend.
 

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I don't trust Jack especially if they wear a uniform. Cover your *ss. Your almost guaranteed your going to jail and to trial. I don't care what others think. Only people I care about is the jury. I have no problem explaining how I followed my training and after the scene was safe I took a couple pics and a short video to give to my attorney.

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never forget that anything you collect as evidence or give as info to your attorney can still come back to bite you - that client/attorney relationship isn't as damn pure as it should be ....
 

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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment

First, teach them the Fifth Amendment, they will thank you later. THEN: I would teach my kids to "zip it up" and wait for a mouth-piece, to do your talking for you.
That is why God put them there.
:tango_face_smile:

I would also advise them to talk to ME, the father, before they talk to the mouth-piece. Because it is legal for cops to impersonate lawyers.
The best policy, is to say nothing at all while in custody: because the legal system is adversarial, it is your opponent, not your friend.
Uh, since when can the police impersonate a lawyer?
 

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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment

First, teach them the Fifth Amendment, they will thank you later. THEN: I would teach my kids to "zip it up" and wait for a mouth-piece, to do your talking for you.
That is why God put them there.
:tango_face_smile:

I would also advise them to talk to ME, the father, before they talk to the mouth-piece. Because it is legal for cops to impersonate lawyers.
The best policy, is to say nothing at all while in custody: because the legal system is adversarial, it is your opponent, not your friend.
the cops & DA also use the old cellmate gambit - whether they are a dirtbag scum liar or a cop posing as a prisoner .....
 
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