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Say that I am getting a m1a socom II .308 (I'm not Mr. Govt. man so if you are reading this, so go back to your porn). And say that that .308 weighs 10 lbs. unloaded. Could that possibly make a decent static shtf weapon?
 

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I have one (my favorite) 3006 that weighs in at 10 pounds unloaded. When I had my 358 custom made I told the smith that I wanted it to weigh 10 pounds empty too. I gave him my 3006 and he matched the trigger pull, length of pull and the weight pretty well. I can pick either one and feel confident that the bullet will go precisely where I aim it. The 358 does shoot smaller groups at .33" center to center at 100 yards but the 3006 isn't far behind it with 5/8" groups.

That weight lessens felt recoil, makes the gun follow through better on moving targets and holds steady until I get too tired to shoot. I have carried it up and down mountains and through the woods when hunting and I never notice the weight. - I'm 62 now and it still feels good in my hands.

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When I just read my post it sounded like I was saying I had an M1-A - I don't! I have an 03A3 that my dad sporterized and made the stock himself. All that boiled linseed oil is what probably made it so heavy.
 

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Hey, . . . uhhh, . . . Scotty, . . . ever see many pictures of Vietnam?

Ho Chi Charlie hated many things we had, . . . but the M14 was on his big list. The marines especially worked on ol Ho Chi with them, . . . successfully I might add.

There are many documented kills with the M14/M1A out to and including 1000 yards, . . . the Socom is just a different version, . . . but surely should be capable of just about anything his longer brothers do.

Most importantly, . . . lots of stuff that is cover against a 5.56 becomes only concealment for a 7.62.

May God bless,
Dwight
 

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To start with, 308WIN is not the same as 7.62NATO which is the caliber of a M1A but they can be chamber reamed to accept 308WIN. A problem you may run into is excessive chamber pressures.

A SOCOM M1A has a different oprod & a few other parts then the other M1As. The Bush rifle & Scout(18" barrels) use the same standard oprod & other parts that a standard M1A uses. I have both a standard & Bush rifle M1A. The Bush rifle will do head shots at 325yds with military ball ammo. 325yds is the longest local range to shoot at. So my suggestion would be to buy a Bush rifle or Scout.

There are alot of aftermarket M14/M1A magazines out there that are crap. CMI has the current contract to supply the military with magazines. Buy the CMI magazines & eliminate frustration of problems with crappy mags. Current price is about $30 for a new CMI mag.
 

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Let me explain something about only putting 19 rounds in a magazine. And that is what was taught in Nam. The magazine will hold 20rd & magazine will function fine.
With the bolt closed (a round in the chamber), its almost impossible to insert a fully loaded magazine but no problem with a mag with 19rds in it. Its called a combat reload. In a firefight, you insert a fresh mag whenever you can but keep a round in the chamber (bolt closed) whenever possible.
 

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Ok. I got the socom II and am planning to do one thing first - get rid of the cluster rail. I don't think that I will need all of the rails(or the weight), and I plan to use a regular scope so that batteries will not be a concern in a survival situation. I do understand that an aimpoint has a battery life of a gadzillion yers
 

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They issued me the M 14 in boot camp and it was the first rifle I ever qualified with. All reviews I've read say Socom quality is top notch a friend of mine who has one says it's his favorite rifle and anybody who saw his previous love affair with the Garrand knows what a compliment that is.
 

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Ok. I got the socom II and am planning to do one thing first - get rid of the cluster rail. I don't think that I will need all of the rails(or the weight), and I plan to use a regular scope so that batteries will not be a concern in a survival situation. I do understand that an aimpoint has a battery life of a gadzillion yers
Getting rid of the cluster rail could save weight overall, but will save forward weight and help balance. The M14/M1A has excellent iron sights. Learn to use them first is my suggestion, then know better what scope you want. An Aimpoint does have a tremendous battery life and with a couple spares it may outlive you. Even the best non-powered scopes are only so tough also. They may not live very long with enough throwing around when the shtf. I've been into M14/M1A's for a long time now and it's most certain an excellent shtf rifle for me. A person has to see what's right for them though. Some people simply can't handle one well or as well as another rifle like an AR and that can make the AR or other rifle a better overall choice for them.

An M14/M1A is hard hitting though, with excellent iron as I said, has come a long ways in optic mounts, stocks and accessories in the past years. It's a harden steel receivered action that can be removed from one stock and dropped into another. There are some very nice and expensive options out there, but I still favor a good ole usgi fiberglass. There light, fast and tough. Get one that has a tight fit for your action and you should get good accuracy with it that will last. Hunting Hawk is a moderator of one of the best M14/M1A forums there is the M14 Firingline. I'm a long time member there even though I find myself spending most of my time here now. Either of us can help you here besides the other members here who are also M14/M1A owners and some members there besides.

A few basic sites and companies to get familiar with are,

M14/M14 Rifle Parts Scope Mount, Spring Guide Gas Piston Sadlak Industries

Smith Enterprise, Inc.

M14 Forum - M14 Forum for M14 M1A Rifles
 

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Paperwork with the socom should tell you whether it will shoot 308WIN. If you choose to do so make sure to purchase ammo marked for semi autos.

Anything you purchase make sure its compatable with the socom.
 

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The Socom's never had a usgi barrel chambered in 7.62x51mm and have always come with the 16.25 chrome moly. They use a .308 SAAMI safe chamber that will shoot 7.62x51mm also. It will comfirm so for you in your manual and a person can read the manual for M1A's on SAI site. The usgi chromelined barrels, of which my fullsize is isn't safe for the chamber pressures, but I stick to 7.62x51mm. This year though I'm going to buy another Scout and have it melonited treated and it will become my new shtf/bugout rifle.

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The Socom's never had a usgi barrel chambered in 7.62x51mm and have always come with the 16.25 chrome moly. They use a .308 SAAMI safe chamber that will shoot 7.62x51mm also. It will comfirm so for you in your manual and a person can read the manual for M1A's on SAI site. The usgi chromelined barrels, of which my fullsize is isn't safe for the chamber pressures, but I stick to 7.62x51mm. This year though I'm going to buy another Scout and have it melonited treated and it will become my new shtf/bugout rifle.

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My M1A Standard is fine for commercial .308 or 7.62 NATO according to the manual.
Also, I thought the dimensions of the two cartridges were the same, the only difference being the NATO round is loaded to a lower pressure.
No?
As far as this "combat reload" thing - we always loaded 20 in our M-14's. When we were given the M16A1 we were told to load 18 in the 20 round magazines (30's had not been introduced yet) to ensure reliable feeding. The M-16's of 1968 were, frankly, kind of crappy. We always loaded a tracer or two down near the bottom so we would know when we were about to run dry.
 

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My M1A Standard is fine for commercial .308 or 7.62 NATO according to the manual.
Also, I thought the dimensions of the two cartridges were the same, the only difference being the NATO round is loaded to a lower pressure.
No?
As far as this "combat reload" thing - we always loaded 20 in our M-14's. When we were given the M16A1 we were told to load 18 in the 20 round magazines (30's had not been introduced yet) to ensure reliable feeding. The M-16's of 1968 were, frankly, kind of crappy. We always loaded a tracer or two down near the bottom so we would know when we were about to run dry.
There was a great discussion of it a while back that goes into it much more than I'm willing to type right now, sitting here drinking my coffee on a day off. It's mainly chamber pressure that the worry and how hot the .308 may be. Why it's recommended people stick to grains below 175 and the beating the action can take besides. I load 20 rounds in my M14 mags, but it does make for a tighter magazine fit. I use mostly Checkmate Ind. these days though I have some older usgi's, but all fit the 20 just fine. A little tighter when there new, but they loosen up after a while.

7.62 X 51 cartridge vs. .308 Winchester: the differences! - M14 Forum
 

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I followed the link (I'm a member over there since 2008) and you are quite correct - they do get off into the weeds with the arcane information. Some people find it interesting, but by the bottom of the first page I was done.
I've got South African NATO, and Lake City ball and a couple boxes of Match.
When the ammo frenzy relaxes I'll get some Winchester Super X plain ol' hunting rounds. Nothing fancy.
 
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I was trying to look to for my M1A box with my headspace, but don't know where it is. If I remember right my headspace is 1.632 and in reality even though I shoot mainly surplus 7.62x51mm, I've shot lots of various grain .308 no problem. I just don't exceed 175 and try to stick with 150 grains. I'll shoot it if I need to when shtf and happen to "salvage" some ammo from another source lying dead on the ground. I'm still going to switch out to the new Scout when I get it for a bugout rifle, but I don't doubt my M1A with it's H&R chromelined.
 

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308 go no/go gauges are cheap enough. Funny about 308 mil having less pressure than civi. Cheaper than dirt has posted that mil 223 has higher pressures than civi, and suggests you make sure if you gun is 223 nato or not. Buy something that will shoot whatever down the tube. Acccuracy at the shtf moment will not be of huge concern:)
 

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M14 is an outstanding rifle ,built for the long haul just hope you are not carrying it with a fair supply of ammo to far .
 
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