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Actual Climate Change

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There is solid evidence that points to the possibility of a mini ice age. The sun's most recent cycle of sunspot activity is less than the previous 11 year cycle. This is given as the actual cause of lower recorded global temperatures. The globe had been working its way out of the previous mini ice age which is given as ending in 1900. Given the last 11 year sun spot cycle was down; the current cycle is lower and the next forecasted to be even lower global temperatures are forecasted to continue to decline.

So what has, is or will be the consequences of government mandated reduced carbon dioxide coupled with lower temperatures? First less crop yields. Could it be the successes of twenty century farming was due in part to man's increased production of carbon dioxide? There is science that says that is true. Greenhouse farming pumps up to five times the normal amount of carbon dioxide into greenhouses to increase yield. Corn fields use carbon dioxide so fast that reduced levels can actually be measured in the center of large fields.

Now anyone that used statistics as part of their vocation recognized immediately the errors and defective models the global warming cult was using. Many quality control engineers required to certify the safety of products would have went to jail for using such flawed data. So government officials knew global warming data were a bunch of hocus pocus.

The question what civil, criminal, or moral penalties should Al Gore et al be subjected to?
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Climate change is a natural occurance. I think the anti capitalist realized they could use it to impose their regulation / taxation / socialism on the capitalist and have been doing so.

Sadly I'm a big fan of clean air. I can see making changes to vehicles, industry and farming to clean the air. Did you know that farming contributes nearly 1/3rd of the air pollutants that are a problem for us all? Industry is about 30% and cars about 37% (those numbes as of 1995 so I don't know how much its changed). Though I believe in clean air I think it needs to be managed smart. For example I had a friend in politics that introduced the "old car" buy back program in CA. They gave $600-$2,000 to people to help them move into modern cars and get their gross polluters off the road. I thought he as a nut. He was a fellow Republican, a conservative, and here he was producing this crap? He showed me the numbers. We spent, as a state, about $175 million buying gross polluters and cleaned the air about 12%. May not sound like a lot but a $120 BILLION high speed rail project won't clean the air 1/10th of 1% so he did pretty good.
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I agree. My point was if the enviro's merely argued for clean air, water, etc they'd promote something we could all want. Instead they promote an agenda of hatred for capitalism using science and mislabeling natural phenomena to blame the capitalist they hater. It is the perfect embellishment of academia-media-government.

I care about clean air, water, buildings without graffiti, streets and highways without liter.

My guess is China and India cause 90 of the globes air pollution. In Some cities in China you can never see the sun.

The last plant I was responsible for, we used huge amounts of water. We tested the purity of the water coming into the plant and what we returned to the system. The water was cleaner after our manufacturing process and treatment than it was coming in. We had 15 wells drilled all around our plant to prove we were not leaching pollutants into the ground water.

We recaptured 95% of the toluene we used. Still we purchased a three tankers every two months.

We were audited every quarter by the EPA; twice a year by UL (to Cost Guard and FAA standards) and three times a year by OSHA. We had a very dangerous process. But we (I) never had with any of them.

But this thread is not about pollution it is about the false claims, bad science and competitive disadvantage caused by the "human caused global warming cult."
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