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I for the most part had dismissed this round when it first appeared. Had no interest in it for some unknown reason and moved on. The other night, I was bored and decided to spend a little time cruising YouTube. As many of you may know, I am a single shot fan and I really like the H&R Handi-Rifles. This video kept showing up on my "recommended for you" section;


So I said "What the heck? Why not?" I have become a monstrously rabid fan of this round, and this Handi-Rifle. Now of course, this is available in an AR Platform as well as a couple of bolt gun selections, like the Remington 700 SPS Tactical and a version from Advanced Armament Corporation, the Micro 7 (also a Remington).

I dig the fact that this round uses two of the most common components available; the 5.56/.223 case and a .308 bullet. The conversion is easy with a cut, trim and re-size, and can be loaded at supersonic or sub-sonic speeds. There is NO NEED for special magazines if you're running a 5.56 AR. You use the same one. If you own an AR, the only thing that needs to be changed out, literally, is the barrel, but a dedicated upper is much more convenient.

The 300 Blackout is not as hot out of the gate, but at 700 yards, it is carrying the same amount of energy as a 5.56 at only 400 yards. And with a can and sub-sonic round, it is quite possibly the quietest gun out there. I will be obtaining one within the next few months, and am already working on stockpiling brass, bullets, dies, etc. to build my own. And that's the other thing I love about this round, I can make the entire thing, from the ground up, all by myself. Kind of like having children.

"TwangandBang" has quite a few videos dedicated to this round and its guns. I think you'll enjoy them.

 

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I'm building a 300 Blackout upper w/ suppressor right now. Piecing it together when I find parts on sale.

I haven't seen the Handi-Rifle before... OMG, I gotta get me one of these!!! I've got one in 44mag and love it as my "primitive weapon" here in Miss.
 

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What is its purpose?
Well, as much as I hate to use it as a "source", go to Wikipedia and enter 300 AAC Blackout. That explains the purpose behind its inception pretty well. At least better than I can ramble.

And it uses existing supplies/equipment that's readily available. Save's re-tooling, re-purchasing, re-designing, re-training, and on and on and on. I don't say it often about much of anything, but this cartridge and how it's implemented is pure, 100% rationally logic genius. Cut a new barrel for existing M4's, install it, make some ammo and you're money. It's just about that simple. If our government could operate like this we'd be just fine.

It can be used for self defense, home defense, military operations, hunting, target shooting, all kinds of stuff. It's quiet, it's fast on target, it can shoot sub-sonic from an AR without having to change anything out in order to get it to cycle. It's just an awesome round. I don't get excited about much when it comes to specific calibers and I have less than a handful of them that I call "favorites". This has entered that family.
 

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Have you already got one or are you getting one?
I am going to get one. I showed this to some co-workers and they had the same reaction I did. I am most likely going to go with the Handi-Rifle, but am going to wait on a bolt action; see if anyone else throws one out there for a little less than what's being offered now. I have seen some AR Platforms under $1000, and a Rock River at $1200. But as I said, I love single shot rifles so that Handi-Rifle is definitely up my alley.
 

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I don't have a 300 Blackout but I do have its identical twin 300 Whisper. Its a pretty unique round and one I have grown to love a lot more than when I originally got it. I have a AR upper for it that's set up strictly for use with a can and sub-sonic ammo. There is a lot to be said for a 240gr SMK at 1050 fps and its quiet the thumper out there are some distance. At the bench mine sounds like a air soft gun but the thump on a hog at 200 yards, is brutal and makes more noise on impact! It is definitely a special purpose kind of round to be sure. I think it really shines in the areas where suppressed or silenced rounds are called for at range. Another area where I think such a round would excel is as a youth or womans low recoil chambering for hunting deer and hogs or similar game.

Man I have to check that handi rifle out. That would be the shiznick!
 

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Love my ar in 300 - with a YHM can I push 220gr RN bullets at ~1050fps - at 100 yards it has the equivalent energy of a .45acp at he barrel, and if you are 100yds away you can barely hear the shot - you wouldn't even pay any attention to it unless you were specifically listening for it.
 

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I've been reading up on the 300. I have 30 cal bullets,223/556 brass, a complete unassembled upper.

All I need is dies and a 300 barrel, I have a "spare 224 barrel"
 

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I'll be the bad egg on this one.

The 308 Win can easily be loaded subsonic with the same bullets. 308 brass is readily available, no need to make it. 308 is a proven performer out to 1000 yards plus. How far is the 300 good for? Plenty of guns new and used around no need to pay top dollar and wait to find one.

So what does this over hyped cartridge actually do any better than what's already available? Ballistics look to me like a 30/30 that can be loaded subsonic. Sure you can load a 30/30 subsonic. I'm sure it's increased sales which is a good thing. I would suggest you sit down and really look at what this cartridge will do. Your money could be spent on something a lot more practical and get the same results. Unless money is no object then it makes perfect sense.

Do I have to mention the rare and exotic 762x39. Only been around for 60 plus years.
 

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For an AR 15 Platform The 6.5 Grendel is as good as it gets, its is wicked accurate, still supersonic out to 1200 yards, bullets have very high BC's, 28.5 grs of powder my 308 load uses 44.2 grs of varget I am not saying the 6.5 is better than the 308, but for an AR 15 Platform the 6.5 Grendel is pretty damn awesome. Just my 2 cents
 
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I got a funny story about .300 Blackout. I got this neighbor that has more money then sense. He drives a Lotus most of the time and a Range Rover when he goes to the local Search and rescue meetings. We talked in passing about firearms and one day he asked me if I would take him shooting which I did and he got the bug big time. He now owns way more firearms than I do and has the latest and greatest in fantactical tacticool.

Several months ago he announced to me that he was going to go hog hunting and he was having a rifle built just for that purpose. He had an AR style rifle chambered in .300 blackout, suppressed, with the latest night vision scope.

Not long after I saw him at the NRA banquet and he was bragging to everyone about his amazing hog hunt and how well the .300 blackout worked and he would go into long ramblings about the inner workings of his rifle platform and the scope. Well close to the end of the night he makes his around to me and goes into his story, I interrupt him and ask if he has any photos. He looks around and says that he hadn't shown anyone else the photo and keep it to myself. In the photo is him with a large hog hanging next to him. It looked like the hog got taken out by a claymore. Mind you he is a itty bitty guy who hasn't had to do much in life so he gets flustered quite easy. I then asked him for the real story, he tells me that he went to a place in Texas and these good ole boys drove him around in the back of a truck until they found some hogs. He turns on his scope picks the one he wants and fires. The hog goes down and he jumps out of the truck and makes his way to the hog. Well he gets close and the hog isn't dead and begins to charge him and he empties the remaining 9 rounds into the hog and then drops the rifle and as he says, "plunged my pig sticker in for good measure." Que Gregory Peck in Moby Dick plunging the harpoon in Moby Dick, " to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee!"

The .300 blackout is another fashion round that will fall by the wayside like the .50 Beowulf.
 

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I like the 300 Blackout very much. The 6.5 grendel is another one and also the 6.8 spc.. They all make great AR platforms too.. I have someone wanting a 1911 I have and has been asking me to trade for his 300blk. I am still pondering it. It will still leave me with another 1911..
 

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I'll be the bad egg on this one.

The 308 Win can easily be loaded subsonic with the same bullets. 308 brass is readily available, no need to make it. 308 is a proven performer out to 1000 yards plus. How far is the 300 good for? Plenty of guns new and used around no need to pay top dollar and wait to find one.

So what does this over hyped cartridge actually do any better than what's already available? Ballistics look to me like a 30/30 that can be loaded subsonic. Sure you can load a 30/30 subsonic. I'm sure it's increased sales which is a good thing. I would suggest you sit down and really look at what this cartridge will do. Your money could be spent on something a lot more practical and get the same results. Unless money is no object then it makes perfect sense.

Do I have to mention the rare and exotic 762x39. Only been around for 60 plus years.
You're a good bad egg Chipper. I believe there is an opening as the Devils Advocate. Going to go pull my nuts out of my throat now. Thanks buddy...:lol:
 

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I got a funny story about .300 Blackout. I got this neighbor that has more money then sense. He drives a Lotus most of the time and a Range Rover when he goes to the local Search and rescue meetings. We talked in passing about firearms and one day he asked me if I would take him shooting which I did and he got the bug big time. He now owns way more firearms than I do and has the latest and greatest in fantactical tacticool.

Several months ago he announced to me that he was going to go hog hunting and he was having a rifle built just for that purpose. He had an AR style rifle chambered in .300 blackout, suppressed, with the latest night vision scope.

Not long after I saw him at the NRA banquet and he was bragging to everyone about his amazing hog hunt and how well the .300 blackout worked and he would go into long ramblings about the inner workings of his rifle platform and the scope. Well close to the end of the night he makes his around to me and goes into his story, I interrupt him and ask if he has any photos. He looks around and says that he hadn't shown anyone else the photo and keep it to myself. In the photo is him with a large hog hanging next to him. It looked like the hog got taken out by a claymore. Mind you he is a itty bitty guy who hasn't had to do much in life so he gets flustered quite easy. I then asked him for the real story, he tells me that he went to a place in Texas and these good ole boys drove him around in the back of a truck until they found some hogs. He turns on his scope picks the one he wants and fires. The hog goes down and he jumps out of the truck and makes his way to the hog. Well he gets close and the hog isn't dead and begins to charge him and he empties the remaining 9 rounds into the hog and then drops the rifle and as he says, "plunged my pig sticker in for good measure." Que Gregory Peck in Moby Dick plunging the harpoon in Moby Dick, " to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee!"

The .300 blackout is another fashion round that will fall by the wayside like the .50 Beowulf.
Wow. Just Wow! See above post. Brutal. I thought we were friends MG...:mrgreen:
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Just another problem with the 300 is the bullets your shooting are not designed to expand at the low velocities they are being fired at. You can't expect a 200 grain bullet designed for a 300 Win mag at 3000 FPS to expand when lobbed out there at 1000 FPS. So what good is it for hunting?? Nothing gets me worked faster then people wounding animals just because of stupidity.

You would be far better off to use a pistol caliber as the bullets are designed to expand at 800-1200 FPS for subsonic. Say a 44mag rifle shooting 44 specials, subsonic with a can/silencer. Bigger bullet, causing more damage and will expand like designed. Take the can off and shoot the 44 mag rounds for longer range.

As others already stated the Grendal, 6.8 or 308 would be a better choice for "long" range work in an AR platform. When was the last time you saw 300 BLK, 6.5 Grendal or even 6.8 SPC ammo available at your LGS? Lot's of better choices out there.

It's purpose is to drive up gun sales. People get hyped up to have the next big thing without using their heads. Another solution to a problem that doesn't exist, like health care.
 

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It's purpose is to drive up gun sales. People get hyped up to have the next big thing without using their heads. Another solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
BINGO!!!!
But I don't have a problem with anybody spending their money on whatever they want, as long as they aren't spending their money on bullshit instead of paying me the rent.( had this problem with my last renter.)
So have fun!!!
 
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