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I'll put aside the discussions of whether a changing climate is:
A. Bad for humanity and the planet
B. Possible to stop

Instead, I'll focus on the solution we choose with the assumption that the two points above are true.
How are we going to ask developing nations to stop their emissions? The entire western world could stop, and that would buy us a few more decades until the "crisis" is right back to where it's claimed to be now. In those decades, the same coal mining, the same oil burning, and the same deforestation will continue in order to warm, build, and feed the 3rd world and those who simply won't stop. 120 million people in China will not simply accept starvation. If Xi wants to keep power, he'll say and do anything that lets him continue pumping out whatever "pollution" he needs to in order to feed his people. The people of India will continue to burn oil and coal to cook with and run their production. The people of South America and Africa will continue to cut down all the vegetation they must to keep cooking their food. These are the parts of the world that are still expanding in their population growth. These are the parts of the world where internal combustion engine transportation options will absolutely explode in numbers.
You're not going to get these poor growing countries to stay poor and stop growing. You're not going to convince them to not fill the gap that western countries would create in stopping their own emissions.

The solution is not to guilt wealthy countries into giving up their luxury for the sake of a few more decades. In the grand scheme, it wouldn't matter. That being the case, the question must be asked... "why are exceptionally intelligent people, who are surely aware of this, still pushing this as a solution?" That's a different discussion entirely...

The solution will be to innovate. The solution will be to develop new technologies that address the problem.
We've never advanced by stopping progress, and we never will. We must find a way for ALL to advance.
Cramming people into urban micro-cities, treating them like cattle, and punishing those who wish to leave, is not a solution and will not be tolerated for long.
 

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You're saying decades, whereas I think the desire is centuries. Also, sadly, correct me if I am wrong with actual proof, but I do believe that USA is the # 2nd leader in emissions, w/ China being numeral uno.

This world has been around for millennia, but all it took is our innovations these past 2 centuries to turn all that around. Many of the solutions to fix this problem is right in front of our eyes, but the willingness to sacrifice one's lifestyle hinders this concept.
The desire is whatever they can sell to the foolish. The reality is that we won't affect anything.

Those innovations you blame have also caused the extension of the human lifespan, brought most of the world out of poverty, offered the culmination of the world's wealth of knowledge in our pockets, and broke our bonds to this terrestrial ball.
This world will be around long after we're gone. Pretending this issue is "saving the planet" is childish and short-sighted. The earth will be just fine.
IF, and I'm not anywhere close to being sold on the idea... but IF the worst should happen, the coastlines expand, deserts become tropical and rainforests become deserts, lakes dry up and new ones form from glacial melt, the world becomes a greener place due to the abundance of life-giving CO2, and more land becomes farmable, I'll take that in exchange for medical advancements, climate-controlled housing, indoor plumbing, a stable electrical grid, a longer lifespan, a handheld super-computer, and a real chance to watch humans set foot on another planet.
Humans will do what we've always done. We'll adapt. It's our best strength. But our adaptation is only possible through our innovation. Asking our species to stop innovating is a condemnation to death.
This isn't about saving the planet. It's about saving humanity. We don't do that by stifling innovation and telling people to do with less. That method ensures depopulation and our eventual demise.

At some point, humans will pass away as all things do. I'd rather it be with a bang than with a whimper.
As George Carlin said, the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas...
The earth will be just fine.
 

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Power gets you money (ie... politicians)
Money gets you power (ie... Bill Gates, Elon Musk)
The end result is control
Coolio tried to warn us, but we didn't listen...
Power and the money, money and the power
Minute after minute, hour after hour
Everybody's runnin', but half of them ain't lookin'
It's goin' on in the kitchen, but I don't know what's cookin'
 
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