When the dust settles - If “Constitutionalists” win...

[Kauboy]

I understand but there will always be a "If the "... power structure left in place for the deep staters to hide behind or within." you just won't see it for awhile.

Well, I don't share your pessimism on the subject.
Perhaps that's my naivete, or perhaps I understand just how strongly certain groups of people feel about smoking out and stringing up every last one of these vile cretins...

[Smitty901]

Well, I don't share your pessimism on the subject.
Perhaps that's my naivete, or perhaps I understand just how strongly certain groups of people feel about smoking out and stringing up every last one of these vile cretins...

They feel that way but most will not act. Even in the Muslim world they all chant and carry signs burn flags . But many take no real action allowing others to do it.

[Kauboy]

They feel that way but most will not act. Even in the Muslim world they all chant and carry signs burn flags . But many take no real action allowing others to do it.

Thankfully, it doesn't require "most".

[Inor]

This thread is part of the “Coming Civil War” group of threads.
Please see the Primer/Premise thread --> HERE <-- for context and links to other related topics.

In my best case scenario, constitutional republicanism wins outright.
The military, under the direction of a still-president Donald Trump, steps up and restores order to our great nation. Our fine men and women in our local police departments stand firm and respond to the violent unrest with strength, courage, and tenacity, rounding up ALL would-be communist/socialist/foreign “revolutionaries”, and hand them over to the military to be treated as enemy combatants found on the battlefield. Can they also round up the media miscreants who intentionally produced propaganda that fueled this traitorous attack on our nation?

What do we, as patriots, demand of our government to forestall this scenario from playing out again in the future? How do we reset the American mindset back to what our founders intended? How to we restart this great experiment in self-governance? Do we start proposing amendments? To we demand an overhaul of the regulatory “shadow government” that has been passing mandates and regulations that act as law, without a constitutional authority to do so? How do we enforce such demands? Is Donald Trump truly the man to do it?

As chaotic as it would be, I'd like to see an 80-90% reduction in government.
Keep the Constitution, keep all amendments, keep all three branches of legitimate government just as they are. Scrap the rest. Start over. Demand a constitutional amendment that requires ALL new regulatory entities spawned by the government to have proven constitutional authority to exist, as decided by the supreme court, before they are ever brought into being. Yes, this will introduce and mix the roles a bit, by including the judiciary into the law-making process, but they already are with respect to this aspect. It doesn't create a new function. It only preempts the law to create a regulatory body from being legal if no constitutional authority exists. They already decide constitutionality, but they must wait for an entity “with standing” to bring the issue forth. That means the unconstitutional law has existed and adversely affected citizens, and is only remedied after that fact. How can anyone claim “standing” against the existence of an entire department of the government? I do not believe they can. Thus, we are currently only limited to targeting specific things the department does. We can never truly fix the real problem.

I do NOT suggest they should be consulted for all laws being written. Not at all.
But when it comes to the creation of gargantuan entities that history has proven will grow too large to be correctly managed and far beyond their original scope, I think it is prudent to verify it's existence is legal before it can be allowed to exist and affect the lives of citizens.

That's my “big wish” item. What's yours?

It feels like a fantasy one can only dream about, but what would our country be like if we could truly “drain the swamp” not just in D.C., but across the nation?
I don't want mass graves. I don't want re-education camps. Hell, I'd be elated to see this entire thing go down without another life lost. But I DON'T want to see it repeated.
I want law and order. I want truth and justice. I want the freedom to succeed AND fail by my own efforts. I want to do away with cradle-to-grave government intervention in our lives. Such interference was never the intention of our founders. I want to see their vision re-fulfilled in our nation.
A war might just do it, and it's a damned shame that it may come to that.

What do you think life looks like after the smoke clears, and patriots stand atop the rubble?

It is not possible to keep all the Amendments as written yet go back to the roots of our founding. At minimum, the 16th (federal income tax) and 17th (popular election of senators) Amendments need to be repealed outright. I would also like to see the 26th (granting 18 year olds the right to vote) Amendment repealed.

I am 100% in favor of a "Constitution Only" federal government. That is, a federal government that ONLY has powers specifically granted to it in the Constitution. The Constitution absolutely does NOT allow rounding up socialists, communists or the media. In fact, the Constitution guarantees them the right to spew their stupidity. You cannot hold the Constitution up in one hand and shred it with the other.

[Kauboy]

It is not possible to keep all the Amendments as written yet go back to the roots of our founding. At minimum, the 16th (federal income tax) and 17th (popular election of senators) Amendments need to be repealed outright. I would also like to see the 26th (granting 18 year olds the right to vote) Amendment repealed.

I am 100% in favor of a "Constitution Only" federal government. That is, a federal government that ONLY has powers specifically granted to it in the Constitution. The Constitution absolutely does NOT allow rounding up socialists, communists or the media. In fact, the Constitution guarantees them the right to spew their stupidity. You cannot hold the Constitution up in one hand and shred it with the other.

Valid points, but you also can't expect 3/4ths of the states to repeal any amendments if the socialists, communists, or the media still exist.
Catch 22 if you ask me.
Which is why I didn't broach the amendment repeal aspect, though I would be amenable to it if there was a way.

[Prepared One]

It is not possible to keep all the Amendments as written yet go back to the roots of our founding. At minimum, the 16th (federal income tax) and 17th (popular election of senators) Amendments need to be repealed outright. I would also like to see the 26th (granting 18 year olds the right to vote) Amendment repealed.

I am 100% in favor of a "Constitution Only" federal government. That is, a federal government that ONLY has powers specifically granted to it in the Constitution. The Constitution absolutely does NOT allow rounding up socialists, communists or the media. In fact, the Constitution guarantees them the right to spew their stupidity. You cannot hold the Constitution up in one hand and shred it with the other.

Awwwwe, come on @Inor ! What's the point of having a revolution if you can't round up and hang people! Give me the media at least, will ya? without them the other two die on the vine. Dammit man! give me something I can work with here.

[Piratesailor]

Awwwwe, come on @Inor ! What's the point of having a revolution if you can't round up and hang people! Give me the media at least, will ya? without them the other two die on the vine. Dammit man! give me something I can work with here.

I’ll supply the feathers.. you bring the bullet. Someone needs to bring tar.

[Piratesailor]

Regarding the constitutional rights of the communists... agree. No where does it mention that.

So it’s up to the states to ban the communists/socialist/ progressives scum.

[Prepared One]

I’ll supply the feathers.. you bring the bullet. Someone needs to bring tar.

We'll need beer and hippie chicks!

[Piratesailor]

We'll need beer and hippie chicks!

Beer is easy... I think we’re screwed on the hippie chicks.

But I have good Irish whiskey....