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    Y'all have got me to thinking (and I ain't even drinking!)

    Maybe I have some sort of crowd Anxiety or some such nonesense? Not the type that makes people scared to be in crowds, I do just fine. Matter of fact I'm the life of the party most times. Same with being around certain people especially some family. I pull it off very well when I'm with them then afterwards I damn near get sick of the fact that I had to sit and listen to douchebags all afternoon. Then I get upset at myself for doing it.

    I would get that same feeling every time I went to church or to a funeral. I look around at most of the people and try to find a righteous man amongst them and usually cannot. Too many people fiddle farting with their phones or worried about some such nonsense, or asking me dipwad personal questions or simply being idiots. People rarely know how to talk about simple things and enjoy each others' company. they always putting on a show.

    So I just don't attend. I do things that I want to do and I am a better person to be around afterwards. Mrs S realized this many years ago and stopped "making" me attend certain functions. When I need a little God time, I talk to GOD. When HE instructs me to study up on something, I do.

    And for the most part I feel good about it. On the rare occassion that I don't I do my best to make it right.

    That's all I have to say about church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine-Marine View Post
    if you have to come up with an excuse try harder!!!! do you refuse to go to walmart, golf course, gun store, etc.. because there are hypocrites there??

    Looking around the congregation you forgot to mention the elderly lady that always gives hand made caps to kids with cancer - who takes a drink now and then

    the young man who works 12 hours a week volunteering at a food pantry and still struggles with porn

    the pastor who gave up a career making $250,000 a year in order to pastor a small church but he still has a anger problem from time to time

    OF COURSE the thing is a church is family, we do not stop being family because we are imperfect

    you are trying to hold up Followers of Jesus to a standard even he himself would not hold people to


    so unless you apply the "HYPOCRISY" RULE to all areas of your life.... you need to go back to church.. or you are the biggest Hypocrite
    Annie asked why some of us don’t go to church. I answered her question as it pertains to me. I am not a hypocrite! I freely admit to committing many sins in my lifetime. I don’t pretend otherwise. I don’t judge others for their sins unless they were committed against me. I don’t preach morality. And I shop at walmart with the rest of the smelly sinners. The difference is that those walmart shoppers don’t preach at me and pretend to be without sin.

    I never said that all church goers were bad people. My experiences with organized religion were bad. If you are fine with your religion and church, good for you. My mileage was different, hence my reasons for not attending church.
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    Disturbingly, Pastor Mansfield reiterated several times that the number one job of these pastors is to calm down the detainees and encourage their compliance within the people’s new surroundings.


    I knew a prison chaplain who was like that, and it was over 20 years ago. I met him when I was in the 19th SFG(A), he impressed me as being an apparatchik, part of the apparatus, I mean.
    A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE COMMONWEALTH, OR STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA:: [Pennsylvaia was a very different place then, just look at Philly today, compared to 1776 AD.]
    [And it is regrettable that their original confrontational ways, about how government should work, has been lost.]

    VI. That those who are employed in the legislative and executive business of the State, may be restrained from oppression, the people have a right, at such periods as they may think proper, to reduce their public officers to a private station, and supply the vacancies by certain and regular elections.
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    I read some of these postings and I begin to wonder. I pay a thith. I don't worry about where it goes. I know my bishop and all in the church receive no payment. It is a Calling. We have our own welfare system we also have our own employment system. I know if I were to loose my job tomorrow the church would be there to help me. I have worked in the bishop store several times and I saw the look of embarrassment on some of the faces. I told one elderly lady who was extremely embarrassed she needed some temporary assistance that "She Was Cashing In On Her Insurance". Maybe it was the right or maybe the wrong thing to say but she got a little smile and a nod of her head. I am sure she felt a little better about it. Do we have hypocrits? Sure all religions do. But I don't let it stop me. I just soldier on.
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    I will say only this; my beliefs are mine, they need no walls, they need no validation or guidance but my own conscience. They require no payment or penances to be made. Organized religion is nothing but another form of control. Morality should not be conditional or negotiated.


    It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion.

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    It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion.

    Albert Einstein
    Christ instituted His Church, it wasn't something man-made from human emotions or intellect that engendered religion. Mystery and holy fear are elements of the faith, but our faith is in the person of Jesus Christ who is fully God and became man flesh and blood for us and hung on a tree. Because He loves us that much. There's nothing esoteric about that; I mean yeah its a mystery but it's for every man. Every simple man woman and child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie View Post
    Christ instituted His Church, it wasn't something man-made from human emotions or intellect that engendered religion. Mystery and holy fear are elements of the faith, but our faith is in the person of Jesus Christ who is fully God and became man flesh and blood for us and hung on a tree. Because He loves us that much. There's nothing esoteric about that; I mean yeah its a mystery but it's for every man. Every simple man woman and child.
    All religion is a mystery and to a certain extent, all instill fear to one degree or another. The fear of the unknown and the fear of death is at the heart of every man. Isn't it convenient that religion portends relief of that fear, if you pay the price. Annie, It's not having faith I have a problem with, it's organized religion as a whole.

    The lack of faith is only a part of what's wrong with this country. The collapse of the traditional family unit for one, our education system is another. Rather then teach our kids right from wrong, faith and morality, from within the family unit, we ship our kids off to day care for indoctrination. From there on those kids learn only what the teachers teach. When the teachers aren't preaching the agenda the idiot boxes and social media are. They aren't teaching traditional family values, faith, honor, morality, or factual history. The system has replaced the family unit as the main care giver. Is it any wonder why these kids think socialism is a good idea, have no morals, honor, or faith?

    There are to many fatherless homes, to many baby mama's, to many same sex couples raising children, and to little accountability.

    What's wrong with this country is the demise of the family unit and our educational system. I don't know that we are not so far down the path that it can be reversed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    Annie asked why some of us don’t go to church. I answered her question as it pertains to me.
    I was pointing out that your reason, THAT PERTAINS to you is just an excuse without really any merit. I have heard it before, "people in church are mean and dont live like they are suppose to so I don't go because they make me feel bad/uncomfortable/ect "

    IF-that is a big if..you believe (by "believe" - I mean have faith that He is the creator of everything, His son is Jesus, and Jesus is the only way to Heaven AND that if you love him you will want to do as he asked - which includes being part of a body / family of believers) in the God of the Bible - then you are going to do those things that make him happy and that he commanded.

    church is not a building, church is also not nature... church is a BODY - made up of fellow believers... it could take place in a home, in a restaurant, in a camp, a car, or a barn.. it could be a blood family or a unrelated group... but we are COMMANDED not to forsake the gathering.. just like military members are told not to wonder off from the platoon or sheep not wondering off from the herd!!!!

    you can worship anywhere at anytime with any number of people but in order FELLOWSHIP it requires other people

    Also, we are called to make disciples and you can not make disciples if you have never been discipled


    Matthew 28:19-20
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”


    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    I am not a hypocrite!
    i doubt that... I have never know a person that was not one...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    I don’t judge others for their sins unless they were committed against me.
    sins are never committed against people. sin are committed against God... and if they were the 7 x 70 rule would apply

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    I don’t preach morality.
    God/Bible nevers talks about morality.. Morality changes every 15-20 years... God is into Holiness

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    I shop at walmart with the rest of the smelly sinners. The difference is that those walmart shoppers don’t preach at me and pretend to be without sin.
    of course nobody at walmart preaches at you.. they do not care if you go to hell or not!!!! I have never been to a church that people thought they were sinless... it could be that you were convicted by the preaching, but dont think the preacher was saying he was sinless... he was talking about Jesus being sinless

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    My experiences with organized religion were bad. If you are fine with your religion and church, good for you. My mileage was different, hence my reasons for not attending church.
    My first few experiences with girls and love were painful, I did not switch to showering with dudes

    it is not MY CHURCH... the church belongs God... but you slander all of it based on a few bad apples - the fact you are doing that should scare you... but I am guessing you really do not believe in a God or the Bible - if you did, you would not be BAD MOUTHING His bride

    HOW IS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH UNORGANIZED religion going!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    I will say only this; my beliefs are mine, they need no walls, they need no validation or guidance but my own conscience. They require no payment or penances to be made. Organized religion is nothing but another form of control. Morality should not be conditional or negotiated.
    I find your statement both understandable and insulting and partly wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    I will say only this; my beliefs are mine, they need no walls, they need no validation or guidance but my own conscience. They require no payment or penances to be made.
    I respect this!! Seriously, at least you are not trying to bend another faith to your ideas or twist writings. I have long maintained that I respect people that have strong beliefs (even if i disagree) more then those that say they are "x" but do not know or only half know

    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    Organized religion is nothing but another form of control.
    This is said a lot and its stems from some old atheist from 100's of years ago... but it is not true for Christianity (I will not defend or accuse another faith here). Followers of Christ are good countrymen as long as the country government is doing things that do not conflict with Bible teachings. I
    Christians are good church goers and followers until the pastor or elders start going off the rails.. then they tend to nail problems to the door and protest
    China understands and try to get rid of them, as does North Korea

    If you wanted to build a country and do things your own way...you would not want any Christians there

    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    Morality should not be conditional or negotiated.
    unless morality is based on SOMETHING, it will always be conditional or negotiated. I would argue that God is the best yardstick for moral

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippy View Post
    Y'all have got me to thinking (and I ain't even drinking!)

    Maybe I have some sort of crowd Anxiety or some such nonesense? Not the type that makes people scared to be in crowds, I do just fine. Matter of fact I'm the life of the party most times. Same with being around certain people especially some family. I pull it off very well when I'm with them then afterwards I damn near get sick of the fact that I had to sit and listen to douchebags all afternoon. Then I get upset at myself for doing it.

    I would get that same feeling every time I went to church or to a funeral. I look around at most of the people and try to find a righteous man amongst them and usually cannot. Too many people fiddle farting with their phones or worried about some such nonsense, or asking me dipwad personal questions or simply being idiots. People rarely know how to talk about simple things and enjoy each others' company. they always putting on a show.

    So I just don't attend. I do things that I want to do and I am a better person to be around afterwards. Mrs S realized this many years ago and stopped "making" me attend certain functions. When I need a little God time, I talk to GOD. When HE instructs me to study up on something, I do.

    And for the most part I feel good about it. On the rare occassion that I don't I do my best to make it right.

    That's all I have to say about church.
    Good to know how you stand on that. i also have a big aversion to crowds. Makes me as nervous as a hooer in Church..so to speak. Now I can tolerate being around kinfolks ok. If they are at my house and I get tired of the bs I go in the mancave and tell them to bite my shorts. I dont visit in their house often and I dont stay long Now this fetish you got about worrying about what other old sinners are doing out in the church pews..aint normal. Reminds me when my Mama was teaching me to drive and I would get nervous of cars coming up behind and I would make a tentaive evasive manuver and such things. "She say...you drive your car and let them drive their car." Seems like Christianity works similar. We best ask Dr. Phil about this. lol..
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