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Mini Review of CZ527 Carbine in .223 (Pic Heavy)

This is a discussion on Mini Review of CZ527 Carbine in .223 (Pic Heavy) within the Rifles, SKS, AR, AK, Long Guns forums, part of the HandGuns, Pistols and Revolvers, Long Rifles, Shotguns, SKS, AK, AR category; Seneca, do you have those numbers backwards? a 1 in 12 for the 223 will only be good for the lighter bullets - no heavy ...

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    Seneca, do you have those numbers backwards? a 1 in 12 for the 223 will only be good for the lighter bullets - no heavy ones at all and the 7.62 uses a light bullet that would do well with a 1 in 12, although I like the 1 in 9 better.




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    I don't believe I have then backwards...been there and done that tho...so I re checked...lol

    Check for yourself...

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    The .223 with a 20 inch barrel was designed for lighter rounds it did a great job at what it was designed for short to mid range stopping a threat.
    When the short 16 inch barrels came around the 1 in 12 did not cut it so they went to the 1 in7 but that required a heavier round .
    Most of my shooting with 223 and 5.56 are with AR but I do own a Ruger 77 chamber for .223 it is an easy 400 meter shooter.
    Yesterday was an up planned day of shooting. One son and I started out just to zero some new AR sights then Daughter ,wife nephew we burnt up a lot of 5.56,9mm,38 and some 380's.
    This is a standard correct .223/5.56 AR zero target the 300 meter is what the target size would be a 300 meters. The 300 meter target size was shot at 6 times at 100 meters.
    Ammo was M855 5.56 62 gr aka green tip lake city. AR 16 inch 1 in 7 Mini Review of CZ527 Carbine in .223 (Pic Heavy)-100_0961.jpg
    This Ar has make many 600 meter shot using that ammo. To get the most out of a .223/5.56 understanding the round is very important.
    Having many years experience with them I would take 5.56 AR over 7.62X39 in any case The only time the 7.62X39 excels is up close
    This is a full size qualification target at 300 meters rapid fire
    Mini Review of CZ527 Carbine in .223 (Pic Heavy)-100_0962.jpg
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    Thanks a lot for the post on the CA .223. I am considering a bolt action .223 myself so this was a timely thread. I am leaning towards a Ruger so the operation of it will be similar to my Ruger 30-06. I have small kids so it would be a starter rifle after they master the .22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go2ndAmend View Post
    Thanks a lot for the post on the CA .223. I am considering a bolt action .223 myself so this was a timely thread. I am leaning towards a Ruger so the operation of it will be similar to my Ruger 30-06. I have small kids so it would be a starter rifle after they master the .22
    The Ruger model 77 .223 is hard to beat out of the box
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    Great post, Matt. Like that rifle and your outdoor range. 122 degrees is brutal so I admire your endurance.

    I bought a Remington 700 SPS Tactical .223 bolt action with a 20" barrel about a year ago. I like shooting it a lot and it is very accurate. It will shoot Remington UMC 55 grain FMJ sub-MOA if you do your part. 1 in 9" twist. And it is great practice for my .308 700s at 1/3rd the cost per round.... I put a 3-12x42 Nikon scope on it, which allows me to actually see where the bullets are hitting.

    I have heard good things about those CZs so I appreciate the post and pictures.
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    I appreciate the post as well, I rarely find someone that fires open sights on a high performance round like the .223, I guess it is handy to be able to practice with iron sights but I am not sure why you choose them over using a scope. My experience with CZ's is they are very accurate so I am guessing the poor performance you showed was a combination of the heat and your ability to shoot iron sights.

    Poor performance, yes your "3 inch square" shows a 50 yard group of about 2.5 inches or 5 MOA, ANY shooter would be seriously disappointed with those patterns. Hell my AK-47 will do 3 inch groups at 100 yards all day long rapid fire, I admit your heat index is off the charts but I suggest you try your CZ under different conditions and get back to us.

    Here is my input

    First to test the accuracy of a gun use a bench rest, this doesn't highlight your natural shooting ability but it will show the guns accuracy instead of human error with sweat in your eyes.

    Second do the test at more reasonable temperatures where the bullets are likely to be used, and allow the barrel to cool between your strings as it will skew the results. To shoot batch A with a cold barrel and Batch C with a "too hot to touch" barrel is not a good test of ammo lots.

    Third. Use a scope. Even if you plan on shooting the gun with iron sights to do #1 and #2 WITH a scope. Once you get the load the gun shoots best, go back to iron sights and then hone your skills since you know the load is accurate in the rifle.

    D. OMG get a real shooting target, one of my favorite movie lines is AIM SMALL, SHOOT SMALL and it is true. To get the best pattern on a rifle you need to aim at a SPOT not a 3" x 3" box at 50 yards. I realize you are only shooting 50 yards but the smaller the target the more accurate your patterns will be.

    E. For open sight shooting shoot at 25 yards not 50 as a dead on hit at 25 will be about dead on hit at 100. This also makes your open sight shots more accurate with half the distance and less shooter induced wobble.

    I seem to be harsh today, it is my intention to teach rather than mock but your patterns with the CZ are disturbing.

    Here are my AR-15 patterns at 50 yards, yes they are scoped, off shooting sticks in the sitting position. Each square is 1 inch.

    Mini Review of CZ527 Carbine in .223 (Pic Heavy)-223.jpg

    I hope I don't have to mention that these were "test" loads so the point of impact isn't really realavent as the scope isn't sighted in for that particular bullet, it is the pattern I am looking for. My actual sighted in load is a hand load, I was testing factory loads and potential hand loads in this string.
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    So I finally got the NECG sights installed and the rifle is shooting very well. I will try and post an update with some new pics. MR- I have lots of rifles with scopes and they all shoot very well; considerably better than the groups posted above. I have real target and like to use them to sight in, but also like to shoot at less defined targets once I get sighted in. I generally use a 200 yard zero. With the removal of extreme heat, the group size was cut in half. With the NECG peeps, it was cut in half again. I now have a very simple rifle that shoots great and handles even better. These are important qualities for a rifle that I carry a lot on an ATV and in my truck.
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