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    Seems like our president is really giving a lot of rhetoric about keeping the Russians out of of the Ukraine. Yet the same man won't put any effort in doing the same exact thing in his own adopted country.

    Is he two faced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad View Post
    Seems like our president is really giving a lot of rhetoric about keeping the Russians out of of the Ukraine. Yet the same man won't put any effort in doing the same exact thing in his own adopted country.

    Is he two faced?
    NEA just a prick full of hot air and hollow promises
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    Lies you can believe in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad View Post
    Yet the same man won't put any effort in doing the same exact thing in his own adopted country.

    Is he two faced?
    Hmmmmm. OK (I'm on vacation so I'll give it a go...)
    Not entirely...he is a lying, socialist, cock sucking communist, racist, gay bath house frequenting, anti-American, anti freedom, Constitution hating, capitalist despising, muslim loving, terrorist supporting, Christian bashing, progressive pawn, liberty hating, waste of kenyan sperm, wealth re-distributor, slave master, food stamp welfare promoter, evil Two Faced idiot.

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    The difference is we're not being invaded by hostile forces who wish us harm. Oh wait, yes we are. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogbuc View Post
    The difference is we're not being invaded by hostile forces who wish us harm. Oh wait, yes we are. My bad.
    For a minute I thought you may have changed your smoking tobacco with that funny weed.

    Shame. American construction companies could have that fence built in under a year but our great and wonderful folks just don't want it built
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippy View Post
    Hmmmmm. OK (I'm on vacation so I'll give it a go...)
    Not entirely...he is a lying, socialist, cock sucking communist, racist, gay bath house frequenting, anti-American, anti freedom, Constitution hating, capitalist despising, muslim loving, terrorist supporting, Christian bashing, progressive pawn, liberty hating, waste of kenyan sperm, wealth re-distributor, slave master, food stamp welfare promoter, evil Two Faced idiot.
    Gee Slippy, tell us what you really think! :D

    You forgot bottom feeding snake oil salesman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spokes View Post
    Gee Slippy, tell us what you really think! :D

    You forgot bottom feeding snake oil salesman!
    My bad!

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    Every country has the right to control it's borders and every responsible government does so. I am sure that someone will bring up that the Native Americans control the borders to which I respond, "and how did that work out for them?".

    No one has the RIGHT to come here just because they want to.
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    While on the topic of protecting the borders, Did anyone see this?...................


    Pentagon Moves to Block Russian Spy Plane in American Skies
    Russian surveillance planes already fly over America, thanks to a long-standing treaty. But a new, ultra-sophisticated spy plane has U.S. military and intelligence bosses spooked.

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military and American intelligence agencies have quietly pushed the White House in recent weeks to deny a new Russian surveillance plane the right to fly over U.S. territory. This week, the White House finally began consideration of the decision whether to certify the new Russian aircraft under the so-called “Open Skies Treaty.” And now the question becomes: Will the spies and generals get their way?

    As the United States and Russia face off publicly over Ukraine, behind the scenes, President Obama’s national security cabinet is having its own quiet feud over a long-standing agreement to allow Russian surveillance flights over U.S. airspace.

    The spies and the generals want to deny the Russians the overflight rights for its latest surveillance planes. The State Department, which ultimately makes that decision, has favored such certification. On Wednesday an interagency meeting of senior officials failed to reach consensus, delaying the decision until Obama takes it up with the National Security Council, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute.

    At issue is the Open Skies Treaty. First signed in 1992 and finally ratified in 2002, the treaty adopted by 34 nations allows the safe passage of planes equipped with advanced cameras and sensors that give governments the imagery and data they use to assess everything from compliance with arms control treaties to troop movements.

    On April 15, the Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, and the Republican chairman of that panel’s subcommittee that oversees the U.S. nuclear arsenal, Rep. Mike Rogers from Alabama, urged Obama to deny Russia the right to fly its new planes over U.S. airspace.

    In their letter, the two lawmakers write, “We agree with the concerns expressed by the Intelligence Community and the military leadership of the Department of Defense” in their opposition to certifying the new Russian planes under the treaty.

    The State Department on the other hand has argued the United States should live up to the treaty's obligations and approve the new Russian aircraft. The decision to certify the planes and their sensors has been pending since late last year, long before the Ukraine crisis began. One senior U.S. official said, “This isn’t just an issue between the United States and Russia. Our allies and partners depend on this treaty for insight into Russia because they don’t have the same capabilities as the United States.”

    The Russians use the aircraft today to monitor U.S. nuclear weapons as part of arms control agreements between both countries. The Russian planes, according to U.S. officials involved in the dispute, contain a new sensor package that would allow Moscow to surveil American nuclear assets with a level of precision and detail that makes U.S. military and intelligence leaders deeply uncomfortable.

    A letter first published by the Weekly Standard on April 13 from two Republican and two Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said the Russian Federation had just completed construction of aircraft that will “support digital photograph equipment, sideways-looking synthetic aperture radar, and infrared equipment.”

    A U.S. official familiar with the dispute and sympathetic to the concerns of the military and intelligence community told The Daily Beast that the worry over the new Russian aircraft is independent of the standoff in Ukraine. “This would have been an issue even if there was no Ukraine crisis,” this official said.

    In some ways, however, the Ukraine showdown has placed pressure the White House to hold off on further angering the Russians. The State Department, which has worked with Russia to iron out at least an agreement in principle to begin to disarm the pro-Russian militias that have seized eastern Ukrainian cities, wants to allow the new Russian aircraft to fly over U.S. airspace.

    The Ukraine crisis has complicated the decision-making process on the Open Skies issue. Ukraine’s military has still failed to take back cities that have fallen to militias that Western leaders have said publicly are orchestrated by Russia’s special operations units known as the Spetsnaz.

    In Geneva, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced the beginning of a process to de-escalate the crisis. But Lavrov also promised Kerry there were no military plans to take Crimea in late February, only to see Spetsnaz soldiers in uniforms without insignia take the peninsula's airports and government buildings.

    “The Russian planes contain a new sensor package that would allow Moscow to surveil American nuclear assets with a level of precision and detail that makes U.S. military and intelligence leaders deeply uncomfortable.”

    In Moscow on Thursday there was the most bizarre spectacle. Edward Snowden, the NSA contractor now wanted in U.S. court to face Espionage Act charges, asked Russia’s president whether his government collected as much Internet data as his old government did.

    Over the weekend in nearby Moldova inside the quasi-independent region of Transnistria, the United States observed Russian troop movements that looked like they may be preparing to launch stealth operations into southern Ukraine.

    Sporadic fighting also continued in eastern Ukrainian cities on Thursday.

    But nonetheless there were some signs that the fighting is coming to a pause. Lavrov on Thursday agreed to support the demobilization of the militias that Kerry himself said his government was responsible for helping organize.

    President Obama expressed cautious optimism that the agreement in Geneva could bring the region away from the brink of war. “I don’t think we can be sure of anything [in the Ukrainian crisis]. I think there is the possibility, the prospect, that diplomacy may de-escalate the situation,” he said at the White House.

    The White House convened a meeting of top deputies of its national security cabinet to discuss the issue on Wednesday. National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden declined to comment on that meeting.

    “Without prejudging the outcome of that review, I would note that the Open Skies Treaty enhances confidence and transparency by allowing the 34 countries that are parties to it to obtain information on the military forces and activities of other Treaty partners,” she said. “It contributes to European security by providing images and information on Russian forces, and by permitting observation flights to verify compliance with arms control agreements.”

    U.S. officials said the State Department favored granting the Open Skies certification for the new Russian aircraft.

    Jennifer Elzea, a Defense Department spokesperson, said, “The Defense Department does not have a comment to provide at this time. Treaty compliance issues are the purview of the State Department. Department of Defense components, specifically the Defense Threat Reduction Agency and the Air Force, do provide personnel and aircraft for Open Skies observation flights, but overall treaty compliance issues fall to our colleagues at State.”
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