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Reply With QuoteThe solar plant Reid's son is involved is some 200 miles away. Therefore a Red Hearring.Originally Posted by dwight55
Bundy is a deadbeat!
Reid is not up for re-election until 2016 but if it causes him to lose_great!
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The solar plant Reid's son is involved is some 200 miles away. Therefore a Red Hearring.
Bundy is a deadbeat!
Reid is not up for re-election until 2016 but if it causes him to lose_great!
Can you cite sources I had not heard about this
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They were talking about that one the Megyn Kelly (spelling?) show this evening.
And supposedly the solar thing involves a Chinese company.
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Do you think the feds are done at the Bundy Ranch or do you think its only getting started?
Nope, hey have only just begun. I think they seriously underestimated the amount of support he would get and thought this would be an easy land grab for them to take advantage of and steam roll over a guy. I think they will be back and this time with M1 Abrams and AH-64's to put an exclaimation point on it.
Why do you think the feds actually want that land so bad?
I don't think it has a thing to do about the 1 million as that's bus fare compared to what Whore House Harry Reid stands to make off the deal. Besids the Administration can score cool points with the Tree Higgers for "saving the desert tortoise and for creating another source of green energy".
Its obviously not really about the 1 million in tax money considering the BLM has already wasted over 20 million trying to seize the cattle and property..
That was just another bull shit reason to justify what they were doing in taking it back. Just more oppresive action from a over bearing government that's out of control and politicians trying to line their pockets. Nothing more nothing less. The only reason they backed down is they didn't count on over whelming amount of support he got and they were out gunned and didn't want another Ruby Ridge or Branch Davidian PR disaster on their hands, its already hot enough in the kitchen for this administration. The last thing they want is more heat and public displeasure to haunt them in 2014 and 2016 election cycles.
Bundy's family has been grazing that particular land since before Nevada was even a territory, much less a state. The federal government cannot legitimately change the terms of his family's grazing rights in ex post facto fashion. And the Bundy's aren't freeloaders. They've invested literally millions of dollars into that land (in wells, water transportation systems, windmills, etc.) over the course of generations. They aren't freeloaders. They've literally made that desert bloom. They have turned a god forsaken wasteland into productive grazing land. The feds have no right whatsoever removing them and their cattle from that land.
Besides, the outrage really isn't about grazing rights. It's about the heavy handed gestapo tactics being employed by the BLM and the federal government. It's about the unchecked expansion of federal power. It's about the BLM's use of hired mercenaries to impose its will on a family that has been grazing that land unmolested since the pioneer era. It's about Harry Reid's corruption and cronyism. It's about not letting this become another Waco, or Ruby Ridge.
Indeed, the harder Dingy Harry and the feds push on this, the more likely it is to become the flash point for a broader conflict between the federal government and libertarians/constitutionalists nationally. If they end up killing Bundy like they did Koresh and Weaver, I believe things could get very ugly, very fast. If the feds don't tread softly, this could very easily spark a conflagration that will ultimately become the second American Revolution.
Wrong. This has everything to do with the solar plant. The Bundy property is on land that Reid's son and the Chinese energy company had planned to use as "mitigation" land for the Solar Plant (If you don't know what "mitigation" land is...look it up). They planned to get hold of the "Bundy land" in order to convert it into conservation easements to offset the construction of the plant. There are actual, physical, leaked documents stating as much.
This post and the one above are nothing more than Red Herrings. The Bundys have never had title to the land in question. The Bundys have never paid taxes on the land in question. The Bundys refuse to pay their grazing fees.
Just because the BLM were idiots in the way they approached this does not mean the Bundys are rightful owners.
The Bundy's original grazing rights didn't/don't require them to pay range fees. Their family settled and improved the land and were allowed to graze there for free. The federal government changed the rules ex post facto and started demanding range fees of the very people who had made the land suitable for grazing in the first place. The federal government has broken their original agreement with western ranchers.
Per Denton's post on a different thread:
"But ignoring all the developments since 1993, a critical issue still remains. The United States government – we the people – gave 1870′s settlers a promise of an open range for cattle if they would homestead and ranch on the land recently annexed from Mexico. The Bundy family answered that call and have honored their part of the contract ever since. In 1993 the Clinton administration unilaterally decided to completely rewrite the original promise conditions and, like so many treaties the U.S. has signed with so many, we simply threw the original promises in the trash and told the Bundy family to take it or leave it! In this case one and only one rancher, Bundy, told the government he was holding the government to its word. What we have seen then since 1993 is that the word of our government isn’t worth a damn. It seems those 1870′s settlers were told, “If you like your ranch you can keep it.”
Again, it is the federal government that is guilty of freeloading, not the Bundy's. The Federal government is stealing the people's land and selling it to private (often foreign) companies for profit. This is why Bundy has so much popular support. Most people can see this for what it is.
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