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This is a discussion on Given the Opportunity to Seize Control Again....... within the Political News and Topics forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by inceptor And there is near a 100% chance the Democrats will help fund Libertarians. Hell, it's in their best interest to do ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by inceptor View Post
    And there is near a 100% chance the Democrats will help fund Libertarians. Hell, it's in their best interest to do so. That's the reason Hillary will win in 2016.
    That's a common misconception. Many polls of people that vote libertarian show that it's virtually an even split between registered Democrats and registered Republicans. Libertarian voters tend to be moderate on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues and don't support the extremes of either party. Unfortunately, given the primary process, the political activists on both sides have an exaggerated influence on the candidates running in the general elections. These activists tend to be on the extremes of both parties. That's why we've been seeing a more an more polarized political process.

    As to Hillary winning, it's the same reason Obama won. She'll be pandering to the people that don't contribute and demonizing those that do in order to justify her socialists policies. When nearly half the voters are dependent on government handouts, you don't have to fool very many others in order to be elected. All you have to do is promise a bigger government handout than your opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pir8fan View Post
    That's a common misconception. Many polls of people that vote libertarian show that it's virtually an even split between registered Democrats and registered Republicans. Libertarian voters tend to be moderate on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues and don't support the extremes of either party. Unfortunately, given the primary process, the political activists on both sides have an exaggerated influence on the candidates running in the general elections. These activists tend to be on the extremes of both parties. That's why we've been seeing a more an more polarized political process.

    As to Hillary winning, it's the same reason Obama won. She'll be pandering to the people that don't contribute and demonizing those that do in order to justify her socialists policies. When nearly half the voters are dependent on government handouts, you don't have to fool very many others in order to be elected. All you have to do is promise a bigger government handout than your opponent.
    It came out after the VA governors election that the Democrats funded the Libertarian candidate, splitting the vote and the Democrat won.

    Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race | TheBlaze.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by inceptor View Post
    It came out after the VA governors election that the Democrats funded the Libertarian candidate, splitting the vote and the Democrat won.

    Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race | TheBlaze.com
    And they also looked at who voted libertarian in that race in it was nearly even between Democrats and Republicans. Makes no difference to me. If the Republicans can get decent candidates, I won't vote for them. Besides, I never vote for Democrats and I never vote for incumbents so I cast a lot of libertarian votes anyway. Very few elections are competitive with incumbents winning well over 90% of the time. Most are decided by wide margins so our votes don't really matter much anyway. Even if the candidate you support gets elected, very soon he/she is so corrupted by the process that they no longer represent anyone but themselves so again, our votes don't really matter.

    I go through the process out of habit but I've lost all faith that our current system will ever produce elected leadership capable of solving our problems.
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    I think the OP is getting the cart WAY ahead of the horse. A lot of these republicans will wind up stepping on their dicks and won't win. Happens EVERY election. And even if they do win, if the LEADERSHIP isn't changed they will just continue on doing what they always do, spend more money and increase the size of government.
    Just voting in a republican isn't the answer. If they don't believe and follow the Constitution their really isn't much difference.
    I think for the Republican Party to survive they are going to have to shake up the RNC and how it operates. The RNC needs to stop supporting and financing Rs in primaries that are progressives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arizona Infidel View Post
    I think the OP is getting the cart WAY ahead of the horse. A lot of these republicans will wind up stepping on their dicks and won't win. Happens EVERY election. And even if they do win, if the LEADERSHIP isn't changed they will just continue on doing what they always do, spend more money and increase the size of government.
    Just voting in a republican isn't the answer. If they don't believe and follow the Constitution their really isn't much difference.
    I think for the Republican Party to survive they are going to have to shake up the RNC and how it operates. The RNC needs to stop supporting and financing Rs in primaries that are progressives.
    Exactly. I refused to vote for McCain. Romney got my vote only because of Paul Ryan and there's absolutely no way I would vote for Christie.
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    I expect the Republican party to win in November. But I also expect they will elect a majority of progressive Republicans rather than liberty-minded Republicans. So I really doubt much will change. Still, it will feel good for a couple of weeks after the election to get our hopes up only to be disappointed (again) next spring when they start to actually govern.

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    The republicans gaining control of the senate is not necessarily a fix for the out of control government problems. There are a lot of Republicans that are just as bad as democrats and actually worse than some democrats. Changing the name of a politician is not a solution! A politician is still a politician and ALL politicians are out for themselves first and the citizens second at best. If you trust/put your fate in the hands of a politician you are still giving up control and your rights are still in question. We are still on slippery slope and only time will tell what our fate will be, and time is not on our side. Be careful, there is still a lot to concern ourselves with.
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    The republicans seem to have some momentum now, but they will probably find a way to screw it up.
    Then, of course, we have those who will not support Rebubs, for whatever reason, and vote for a 3rd party candidate, who can never win, thus giving the election to the libs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
    The republicans seem to have some momentum now, but they will probably find a way to screw it up.
    Then, of course, we have those who will not support Rebubs, for whatever reason, and vote for a 3rd party candidate, who can never win, thus giving the election to the libs.
    You have the equation completely wrong. You seem to think that winning elections is what changes the bottom line. It isn't. The Tea Party realizes that. The Tea Party refuses to become a third party, focusing instead on the issues. If the Republicans don't put some of the Tea Party agenda on the table, they cannot win the elections... plain and simple.

    If other third parties and voters could see the end game, they might wake up and quit worrying about WHO gets elected and worry more about WHAT ISSUES will be addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Resister View Post
    You have the equation completely wrong. You seem to think that winning elections is what changes the bottom line. It isn't. The Tea Party realizes that. The Tea Party refuses to become a third party, focusing instead on the issues. If the Republicans don't put some of the Tea Party agenda on the table, they cannot win the elections... plain and simple.

    If other third parties and voters could see the end game, they might wake up and quit worrying about WHO gets elected and worry more about WHAT ISSUES will be addressed.
    I thought you hated the Tea Party and Republicans in general.
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