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This is a discussion on Getting The Government Out Of Religion within the Political News and Topics forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by Jammer Six I hope not. You hope not? Does that mean you wish the socialists would stop trying to tear apart our ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammer Six View Post
    I hope not.
    You hope not? Does that mean you wish the socialists would stop trying to tear apart our nation, or are you hope the freedom-lovers, the constitutionalists, the Christians and other like-minded people simply sit back and not fight? Do you think only BLM and Antifa are righteous in their use of violence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    What would be next?
    All the tombstones in National Cemeteries nationwide be removed because almost everyone has a Cross or Star of David engraved on it?
    All the cross shaped tomb stones in American Battle Monuments cemeteries around the world be removed?
    Where to draw the line is a problem. There simply isn't an easy answer that will make everyone happy. Government was supposed to be separate from religion, that was one of the mainstays of the revolution.

    And then the government promptly got right back into the business of promoting christianity at the expense of and in spite of all the non-christian citizens. This issue is deeper and far more entrenched than civil war issues; at least the government doesn't usually promote confederate images, and it doesn't print confederate slogans on the money.

    What also seems apparent to me is that public sentiment is changing from what it was when I was a kid. When I first discussed "in god we trust" with dad, (in about 1964) he said that there's probably nothing we can do about it. That sentiment seemed to apply across the board, as "under god" was used every day in the pledge in grade school.

    Now, with civil war monuments coming down and this cross coming down, it seems reasonable to say that times have changed since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    You hope not? Does that mean you wish the socialists would stop trying to tear apart our nation, or are you hope the freedom-lovers, the constitutionalists, the Christians and other like-minded people simply sit back and not fight? Do you think only BLM and Antifa are righteous in their use of violence?
    Those are the only options you can conceive? If so, violence does indeed seem imminent.

    I would hope that a way forward that is comfortable for all of us can be negotiated. Isn't that something you'd support?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammer Six View Post
    Those are the only options you can conceive? If so, violence does indeed seem imminent.

    I would hope that a way forward that is comfortable for all of us can be negotiated. Isn't that something you'd support?
    I like that. You want to negotiate away the constitution and what this nation was supposed to be and you think I'd support that? Très drôle!
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    I appreciate you; you handed me a topic for tomorrow's podcast. Two, as a matter of fact. It'll come with a big shout-out for ya! MAybe you'll listen.
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    Two of the judges wrote additional individual opinions arguing the ruling needed to be changed by a full hearing with all the judges who make up the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals or by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Both of the judges argued the precedent set by the case American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia v. Rabun County Chamber of Commerce in 1983 was wrong, but the judges were bound to it.
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    @Jammer Six I am not religious. I believe in and support the Constitution but I am not religious. Yet I have no problem with religious symbols on government property. Most likely because I am more tolerant and accepting than those that fear it.

    With that said, I don't see a problem here. The 1A clearly spells it out.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
    If you'd like to go deeper you can go into the Establishment Clause.
    In United States law, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, together with that Amendment's Free Exercise Clause, form the constitutional right of freedom of religion. The relevant constitutional text is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...".
    Personally I can't see how a monument on government property is "Respecting the establishment of Religion". It's just not there. The government is not establishing a religion. They are paying for the upkeep of a monument that honors (in this case) soldiers that believed in a certain religion.

    Even if you don't agree with that should we take down other monuments on government property that honor religions other than Christianity?

    How about the Buddhist monument at the Manzanar Cemetery?

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    Or how about the Atheist monument in Florida?

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    And by the way, are atheists sexists also? He? Do they not acknowledge women? Are men the dominant and ruling figures in atheism? Because this monument is not being very tolerant, diverse or inclusive to women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    @Jammer Six I am not religious. I believe in and support the Constitution but I am not religious. Yet I have no problem with religious symbols on government property. Most likely because I am more tolerant and accepting than those that fear it.

    With that said, I don't see a problem here. The 1A clearly spells it out.


    If you'd like to go deeper you can go into the Establishment Clause.


    Personally I can't see how a monument on government property is "Respecting the establishment of Religion". It's just not there. The government is not establishing a religion. They are paying for the upkeep of a monument that honors (in this case) soldiers that believed in a certain religion.

    Even if you don't agree with that should we take down other monuments on government property that honor religions other than Christianity?

    How about the Buddhist monument at the Manzanar Cemetery?

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    Or how about the Atheist monument in Florida?

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    And by the way, are atheists sexists also? He? Do they not acknowledge women? Are men the dominant and ruling figures in atheism? Because this monument is not being very tolerant, diverse or inclusive to women.

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    Or maybe the atheist monument was paying per letter and “he” is the shortest way possible.

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    Those justices are nuts. This is were impeachment should be exercised to rid the people/ country of idiots that make decisions that impact everyone. The atheists behave like a state sponsored religion which the first amendment specifically prevents. The first amendment is for freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

    That seven words of separation of church and state. Appear nowhere in the constitution. They are taken out of context in a letter from Jefferson to a Church congregation In Connecticut to tell them that the US government would never be able to tell the pastor what must be contained in a sermon because there is a wall seperating Church and State. The intent of those words were to say the government can never control religion, not that religion can never be in government or public. This is in accord with the first amendment not prohibiting religion or free expression there of.

    A bunch of the brain dead in black robes severely errored in deciding something else. The job of the Federal judiciary is to interpret the Constitution not use secret decoder rings to find hidden meaning or rights that others can not see. It also requires an understanding of early18th century English. Apparently these political appointees are just that.... political hacks with an agenda. They are not fair and impartial nor are they doing what their job is supposed to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammer Six View Post
    Those are the only options you can conceive? If so, violence does indeed seem imminent.

    I would hope that a way forward that is comfortable for all of us can be negotiated. Isn't that something you'd support?
    One has to have a willing partner to negotiate. The left have no intention of negotiating anything unless it's their way, all the way. By hook or crook, they intend to toss this Republic for a socialist state.
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