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This is a discussion on Stockton Ca - Money For Nothing within the Political News and Topics forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by Kauboy I caught a video where Dr. Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, was answering a question about IQ, and he was very ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    I caught a video where Dr. Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, was answering a question about IQ, and he was very disturbed with the possibility of handing out money to the truly unintelligent.

    So the basic break down is...
    Back in the 60's, the military determined through testing that they should never recruit any person with an IQ of less than 83. The reason was, people with this low of an IQ could not be taught to perform ANY task in the military that did not result in a net negative impact(costs more to fix their mistakes than to train and perform the job). That means they were a detriment to the system no matter what job they tried to do.
    Well, the next question is, how many people in an average society have this low of an IQ.
    The statistically verifiable answer is... 10%.

    Take a moment and soak in that information.
    10% of the general population cannot perform ANY function in society that has a net positive result.
    If you are any kind of compassionate human being, that should hurt you at your core.
    I've known a boy (now young man) who had a brain injury when he was 5 that lowered his IQ is below 80 (not publishing his IQ online). Some parts of his brain redeveloped so while he's immature for his age his social skills are normal; if you had a 5 minute discussion with him you wouldn't realize he has some challenges such as he can't do math over a 3rd grade level and can barely tell time or count change from a dollar. I've worked with him for years on counting change from a dollar and he can usually slowly get it correct now. His memory and problem solving skills are also severely affected.. But in many ways he is 100% normal. Because his parents are less than stellar parents from age 7 I've handled taking him to therapy, dealt with his school, and basically been the guiding "parent" in his life.

    Over the years I've "hired" him to cut grass and many other jobs around my house and business. Usually the work he does is very poor or done wrong and must be redone. He had several restaurant jobs in high school; he interviews well so he can get a job but within a few weeks they always cut his hours to less than 8 hrs a week only using him to wash dishes and take out the trash. Since he has "worked" so much for me I fully understand why it costs more to hire him than to do without the help.

    A few years ago his mother semi-moved out of her house leaving him home alone coming home occasionally or sending him money for food while keeping the home's utilities running. As you can imagine problems developed and I've since moved him into my home. After a false start or two with holding a job he got hired at a local manufacturer where he pretty much does the same thing over and over which works with his poor ability to learn new things. Never misses a day of work and since he barely understands time he always shows up for work about 45 minutes early (before sunrise). This is one of those places that works the snot out of their employees doing heavy labor without air conditioning but he's stuck with it. Lost 35 lbs the first 4 months, keeps getting pay raises and is now around $15/hr. Most of his supervisors are bastards towards him and try to shift him out of their department but he refuses to quit and does the work every day as they yell at him. He's determined to keep that job and make money.

    It breaks my heart to see him put up with the hostile work conditions but he's now making a low level living wage and saving money. I'm very proud of him and make sure he knows it. Plus work has allowed him to make some better friends.

    Because of his poor math skills (he just doesn't really understand numbers) I've explained to him that he'll always need someone to help him with finances which I currently do. Every week he puts $100 into a savings account for major car repairs and car replacement. I paid for his 1st car and when it died 18 months later he had saved enough to buy a piece of shit $3500 truck which he loves as he continues to save for a better vehicle.
    He puts another $50 away weekly so he'll have rent/utility money for the day when he moves out in addition to the $50/wk he gives me for rent and food. (I charged no rent until he showed that he was going to hold this better paying job.) Averaging 50 hrs a week after putting some money into a 401K and car insurance he still has over $200 most weeks to "piss away" on whatever young men spend their money on (thank God he dislikes alcohol and drugs). I review his bank accounts occasionally. Because of his problems with numbers he rarely uses cash so I can see where he uses his debit card. I rarely bother him about his stupid spending habits as long as he keeps putting the agreed money into savings every week. I'm trying to treat him as an adult and require that he acts as an adult by helping around the house ect. but his roughly $200 a week "pocket money" is all his to spend as he wishes. I do wish he'd stop blowing money on Vaping but there are worse habits.

    Bottom line I can sort of agree that it is often more expensive to hire a lower IQ person after you pay to correct work done incorrectly but given the correct type of job and a little patience and a hard work attitude they can be successful. My big fear is if he ever loses that job he may have a very hard time finding another job that pays a living wage. Because of this we're working on getting him into a state sponsored work training program.

    edit: for those who may question his driving. I got him a license almost 3 years ago and thus far no accidents of any sort and no tickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    I caught a video where Dr. Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, was answering a question about IQ, and he was very disturbed with the possibility of handing out money to the truly unintelligent.

    So the basic break down is...
    Back in the 60's, the military determined through testing that they should never recruit any person with an IQ of less than 83. The reason was, people with this low of an IQ could not be taught to perform ANY task in the military that did not result in a net negative impact(costs more to fix their mistakes than to train and perform the job). That means they were a detriment to the system no matter what job they tried to do.
    Well, the next question is, how many people in an average society have this low of an IQ.
    The statistically verifiable answer is... 10%.

    Take a moment and soak in that information.
    10% of the general population cannot perform ANY function in society that has a net positive result.
    If you are any kind of compassionate human being, that should hurt you at your core.

    Well, Dr. Peterson then took the discussion to the idea of paying these people a wage to do nothing.
    On the face of it, it's not a harmful thing to think that they are being paid less than the cost to train them and fix their mistakes.
    However, we have to still consider their capacity.
    He concluded that giving low-IQ people a fixed income of free money would prove to be terribly dangerous for a society at large. They would spend it on vices and nonsense, and it would never actually contribute to the greater economy or benefit society at all. They would still end up in poverty.

    I would suspect the 100 people chosen for this Stockton experiment are much closer to that 83 than to 100 on the IQ score. You don't give away free money to somebody who already makes plenty, right? (liberal thinking, no tax cuts for the rich, *grumble* *grumble*)
    Think I heard a variant of this philosophy on the Rush show a few years back. It was a factoid that each Law School graduate that gets the license costs the country at least one million a year in filing frivolous law suits. So the smart thing to do would be to pay them half a million a year not to sue anybody. That save fifty percent according to some quick mental math.

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    No matter how much of our money you throw at it, Utopia, ( Socialism ) has not worked, does not work, and will not work.
    A Watchman and StratMaster like this.
    " All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope" .Hidden Content

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    Margaret Thatcher once said: "The problem with socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other people's money."

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    Chicago is also on their way to trying this on a larger scale.

    Chicago could soon test universal basic income program | Fox News

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    You know.... for the record, our forefathers would have been SHOOTING by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entryteam View Post
    You know.... for the record, our forefathers would have been SHOOTING by now.
    But also for the record, our forefathers have been labeled terrorists and FB has proclaimed that the Constitution is hate speech.

 

 
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