This is a discussion on Why the sudden love for 9 mm? within the Pistols and Revolvers forums, part of the HandGuns, Pistols and Revolvers, Long Rifles, Shotguns, SKS, AK, AR category; [QUOTE=stevekozak;2028525] Originally Posted by RubberDuck Let me ask you a follow-up question: Do you think you could be shot anywhere on your chest that would ...
Fact this was done with a 9mm at semi close range.
Fact this means the threat was still able to be in the fight and return fire.
Fact I do not carry 9mm
Fact still better than stick.
Every time I read someone talk about "shot placement" like he's going to be able to hit his opponent exactly wherever he wants, I want to scream and curse. (i do curse the computer screen, no one can hear it though).
A gunfight is not a day at the range.
Granted, I never saw my opponents, just their muzzle flashes, but in the midst of chaos, when that stuff goes by close enough to hear the projectiles, you experience a level of adrenaline that you never even knew existed before that moment.
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I believe that the .40 S&W, the .357 Sig et al, were made to fix a problem that never existed. I carried a 9mm 92F when I entered law enforcement. I cannot count the gang related murders in which a 9mm was used to great effect, far more than any other round. My department went to .45 ACP HK USP pistols. With all that ammo and two spare mags it was insanely heavy. Since I retired I carry 9mm handguns exclusively. I worked a double murder in which a 9mm fmj traveled through an entire antebellum home with plaster walls lengthwise. In one exterior wall, through three more interior walls and out the other exterior wall. Good enough to convince me. YMMV. I'm a believer in 9mm.
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Also I think it a huge leap to say all folks in such a situation will freak out. Many folks slow down & get calm during stressful times. I have experienced extreme stress several times and find in each situation, I stayed calm. Most stressful moment of my life was on an alert, in a Minuteman III launch control center. It was back around 1980 and the SAC computers though we were under attack. Now when on alert, we rarely received actual messages. Most were tests and designed to keep the Soviets guessing. But one night, while my commander was asleep, an actual message came thru. When decoded, it had us break seals, insert launch keys and wait for the next message. Only time I'd ever inserted keys was in a simulator/trainer. That was a big, damn deal. The most stress I've ever felt was sitting there, waiting for the next message. Since we had inserted keys, I assumed the next message would be to launch... and end the world. So the next message comes in, and once decoded, it backed us down. Granted, with seals busted & keys out, the entire missile force was on a different schedule, as at that point, both officers had to stay awake until teams could be sent out from Minot AFB with new seals. Took many hours.
Point was, my training took over and I performed as trained. Each month, when not on alert out in the missile field, we spent a lot of time in the simulators fighting all sorts of wars and handling security & maintenance issues. Was I stressed during this real event? To the max. But muscle memory set in and I performed as expected. My hope is, if faced with an intruder, I will calm down & perform as trained.
Last edited by Redneck; 08-02-2020 at 06:43 PM.
The 9mm was adopted by the U.S. military primarily to be the same as other NATO countries. NATO agreed to calibers such as 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62x51 so that ammo could be shared. Same with U.S. M1A1 tank main guns being 120mm to be the same as other NATO countries. The 120mm on the Abrahams is actually a German made smoothbore.
I like 9mm and I like .40. I carry both, but also own and carry .357, .380 and 45 on occasion.