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This is a discussion on What is a Veteran? within the Military Veterans forums, part of the General Discussion category; I really dislike posers and wannabes. In my opinion they are stealing valor from those who died in the service of our country....

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    I really dislike posers and wannabes. In my opinion they are stealing valor from those who died in the service of our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    I really dislike posers and wannabes. In my opinion they are stealing valor from those who died in the service of our country.
    It really pissed me off when YouTube took Don Shipley (Buds131) down. Why? Because he told the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csi-tech View Post
    I served 5 years Regular Navy and deployed twice to the US 6th fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean on an amphibious assault ship. (LPH-2). I served from 1985-1989 then 2 years Inactive ready reserve before receiving my honorable discharge in 1992.

    Here, then, is what gets stuck in my craw: Most of the sailors with whom I served (Facebook friends) are touting their veteran status. There are many pictures of them in Navy T shirts, Veteran ball caps and all of the veteran regalia they can adorn themselves in. The issue is, they were all kicked out with bad conduct discharges, other than honorable discharges and even a dishonorable discharge for criminal behavior. I just let it go, but man does it piss me off! That honorable discharge is no easy thing to earn. The good conduct medal, the letters of commendation etc. not a gimmee. WTF? Should I just ignore it or say........Let us all post our Honorable discharge certificates and our lapel pins we were given?

    Many of them smoked dope because they could'nt hang. Very frustrating.
    so I got this cousin. I love him like a brother. He was in the National guard for a bit but split because they didn't give him what he expected (promotion job assignmnt etc). So 35 years have gone by and they finally sent him a general discharge.

    He talks about applying for benefits, etc. I just tell him, you should man, you should give it a go. Why? cause I love my cousin. And I don't care if he gets respect from others for his "service". It doesn't have any impact on me or my service, it just gives him something to talk to me about. Now a days I'd rather talk about his stuff than mine anyways.

    He is the least of the pretenders out there. Everyone is a SPecial Ops guy/gal. EVen 90 year old women. ITs like meeting women online, I assume they are all 45 year old fat bald guys and it puts their words in a new context for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csi-tech View Post
    I served 5 years Regular Navy and deployed twice to the US 6th fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean on an amphibious assault ship. (LPH-2). I served from 1985-1989 then 2 years Inactive ready reserve before receiving my honorable discharge in 1992.
    I served in the Regular Navy for 5 years too. I went in for 4 and extended a year. I served on CVN68 and CVN73. I made 2nd Class Petty Officer (AT2) in 3 years.

    I’m glad I enlisted. It forced me to grow up and gain a better perspective of the world around me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old SF Guy View Post
    so I got this cousin. I love him like a brother. He was in the National guard for a bit but split because they didn't give him what he expected (promotion job assignmnt etc). So 35 years have gone by and they finally sent him a general discharge.

    He talks about applying for benefits, etc. I just tell him, you should man, you should give it a go. Why? cause I love my cousin. And I don't care if he gets respect from others for his "service". It doesn't have any impact on me or my service, it just gives him something to talk to me about. Now a days I'd rather talk about his stuff than mine anyways.

    He is the least of the pretenders out there. Everyone is a SPecial Ops guy/gal. EVen 90 year old women. ITs like meeting women online, I assume they are all 45 year old fat bald guys and it puts their words in a new context for me.
    Can someone with a General Discharge receive veteran benefits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    Can someone with a General Discharge receive veteran benefits?
    Yes .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    Yes .
    I did not know that, thanks.

    At least the VFW and American Legion still requires an Honorable to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    I did not know that, thanks.

    At least the VFW and American Legion still requires an Honorable to join.
    They have restricted some VA benefits in more modern times but that is not in every case. This will give you a good over view . But will still leave questions. I have seen many upgraded.

    https://www.operationmilitarykids.or...eral-discharge

    VFW requirements:
    "2: Honorable Service – must have served in the Armed Forces of the United States and either received a discharge of Honorable or General (Under Honorable Conditions) or be currently serving."
    Last edited by Smitty901; 11-14-2019 at 09:11 AM.
    New life as a house husband, major shift in duties.

    Karl Marx said, "Destroy their culture, rewrite their history. Ruin their art and literature, and defame their heroes, by offering fabrications to scandalize that which they considered good.
    After reading this Obama said I am on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    They have restricted some VA benefits in more modern times but that is not in every case.

    VFW requirements:
    "2: Honorable Service – must have served in the Armed Forces of the United States and either received a discharge of Honorable or General (Under Honorable Conditions) or be currently serving."
    VFW must be getting hard up.
    They even allow certain Navy submarine vets in. And anyone who served in Korea at any time.

    I just checked legion.org and an Honorable is still required, although the Legion just got Congress to authorize that anyone who served Active Duty since December 7, 1941 is eligible. The Cold War is now considered "a period of war" for Legion membership.

    Vietnam Veterans of America has never considered type of discharge as a requirement for membership, only duty dates. A lot of Nam vets got "bad paper".

    AMVETS requires an Honorable also.

    For the record, my discharge is Honorable, and I received the Army Good Conduct Medal even though I did not serve the full three years usually required, since I served in a combat zone that requirement is waived.
    Last edited by rice paddy daddy; 11-14-2019 at 09:22 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    VFW must be getting hard up.
    They even allow certain Navy submarine vets in. And anyone who served in Korea at any time.

    I just checked legion.org and an Honorable is still required, although the Legion just got Congress to authorize that anyone who served Active Duty since December 7, 1941 is eligible. The Cold War is now considered "a period of war" for Legion membership.

    Vietnam Veterans of America has never considered type of discharge as a requirement for membership, only duty dates. A lot of Nam vets got "bad paper".

    AMVETS requires an Honorable also.

    For the record, my discharge is Honorable, and I received the Army Good Conduct Medal even though I did not serve the full three years usually required, since I served in a combat zone that requirement is waived.
    General is consider Honorable and is ok with VFW. The VFW rule number 2 explains it. general discharge is not a punishment. If a person servers less than 180 day in a training status they would not receive VA benefits. But that is by another regulation.
    Example private smith finishes basic but fails to met standards following basic and is given a general with in 180 days. Private smith would not receive benefits of any kind.

    Failure to maintain physical standards
    Failure to meet professional qualification requirements, and
    Any other failure to meet a military standard.
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    New life as a house husband, major shift in duties.

    Karl Marx said, "Destroy their culture, rewrite their history. Ruin their art and literature, and defame their heroes, by offering fabrications to scandalize that which they considered good.
    After reading this Obama said I am on it.

 

 
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