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    A christian's point of view on survival

    As a christian and a prepper I was torn for a long time about whether or not letting others go hungry is the
    right thing to do. I soon found out that warning others to get ready was a good way to get laughed at.
    I heard things like "you're crazy I'm not wasting my money" or " I'll just come to your house" and a ton of
    others. But my all time favorite is "God will provide" But then I remembered the story about the Ark. Noah tried
    to warn everyone about the rains but they made fun of him. But once the rains became a downpour and the
    flooding started the doors would remain shut. --OUCH-- I know I can not compare myself to Noah but I can follow the
    example he set. I bought some cases of Roman noodle soup for the starving and ammo to protect what I have
    stored for my family. The way I see it is "The Lord has provided me with the sense to save my family"
    Am I being selfrightes here? Or is this correct?
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    Those are some good questions, I don't have the answers, not sure anyone does. I think it would depend on the circumstances at the time. Is this a short or a long term thing? How hard is food to get and how long will it remain that way?.....ect.
    I know the easy thing to say, is "I warned these people, they should have done what I done" but then, I am not looking at a family starving to death while I have a large store of food. Again, I don't know the answer.

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    I think your analogy to Noah is absolutely correct. God sent them the same message He sent to us. We chose to listen. They did not. Bummer...

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    Jesus okays prepping..
    He said this about the end of the world-

    "Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions, darkened sun and moon, falling stars, shaken planets.
    Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now, and never to be equaled again.
    If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
    Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
    What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!"- (Mark ch 13)


    As for the "God will provide" thing, I know a christian evangelist street preacher whose life is a complete mess because he won't lift a finger to help himself, he's had two failed marriages, he's been hauled up court twice for not paying his poll tax, and at various times he's had his phone, electricity and gas cut off for not paying the bills. I tried telling him to get himself organised and even quoted this verse at him-
    "For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of selfdiscipline" (2 Tim 1:7), but does he listen? Nah, he carries on muddling through life with a brain like mush, borrowing cash off people and everybody's fed up with him because he's a lousy advert for Christianity.

    This neat old saying is the way for any sensible person to go- "Trust in God, but keep your powder dry!"
    In other words God or Lady Luck can only do so much, we have to meet them at least halfway by getting organised and making our own luck, right Kid?

    "Right!"
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    Proverbs
    6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
    consider its ways and be wise!
    7 It has no commander,
    no overseer or ruler,
    8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
    and gathers its food at harvest.

    We were commanded to be prepared. Now to follow that


    1 Tim 5:8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    It says nothing about taking from your family to give to those who were warned but would not listen. How long do you think Noah would have survived if he had kept opening the doors to the Ark? How long would it have been before the Ark sank and he lost everything?

    That being said, if you and your neighbors organize and pool your resources then that is a different matter. They are contributing to the overall good. The ultimate goal is survival and you were commanded to be prepared and survive. This is what you need to consider.
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    I believe you are right on point. That is why it is call survival. It why you have to prepare for the worst. It will be heart feel to turn people away. But they had the same chance to prepare for it and just laugh. For me all you can do is sent them on their way. Some will leave and some will try to take what you have. I believe you will have to protect yourself and family. And I still believe you are right on point.
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    "God will help those who help themselves, if they work like hell in the mean time."

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    As another Christian prepper (and a Baptist senior pastor), I strive to inculcate community both in and out of church. As an outreach to our city this summer we are setting aside a plot of land at the church for a community garden. It is not a freebie thing, but if one helps and works then they are entitled to some of the produce. Along the way valuable skills will be taught and caught by hands-on experiences.

    Further, I will be leading a series of classes on Sunday nights on common sense preps. Not radical hoarding or fortress mentality, but things that make the one learning and using the techniques more valuable than the one who knows nothing except cell phone and plastic money.

    I see the biblical admonition is an expectation to be tied to the land and the whole of the Bible wraps around that part of the human endeavor. Two things then stem from that realization... First, that for the entire history of humanity until about 1930 or so, all of humanity knew where their food came from and what one had to know to survive in this world without our modern grid. Second, that God's blessings most often come from the ground and increases are most often based on multiplying the harvest, whether crop, livestock, or saints.

    All that being said, most preps are on account of the grid that now dictates life. Eliminate the dictation if the grid tends to free a man to true productive life, even if that life is in use of the grid. In other words, love God, love people, live His way, and use "stuff.".
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    Besides our immediate family we are charged to care for widows and orphans(the defenseless) also if we have 2 cloaks we are commanded to give 1 away (but not our own).

    Also the man that built many barns and stored up all he needed for a life of liesure was judged harshly by God.

    Love your neighbor as yourself, one of the greatest 2 commandments along with loving God.

    When I read all of these things I cannot believe that SHTF my response is to shut the gates with a big sign out front saying "too bad you should have listened"

    This will be a huge chance for people to be brought to Christ and salvation, I will not waste it cowering behind sandbags.

    Mat 25:35    for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;
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    A Canaanite woman asked Jesus to cure her daughter but he refused pointblank and told her he was only sent to the people of Israel. (Matt 15:21+)
    Presumably he only had a certain amount of power to hand out and felt drained until his spiritual batteries had recharged.
    (However he soon felt sorry for her and quickly changed his mind and cured her daughter.)
    The moral of it seems to be don't let freeloaders come begging stuff from you if the time, place and situation is not right.
    (Later in his scheduled 'game plan', Jesus made it clear he was sent to save the whole world, not just Israel.)

    As I've mentioned before, our cycling club entered a 100-mile Reliability Trial some years ago, we had to pedal it in 8 hours in the middle of winter.
    Like a fool I was showing my small ruck around before the start, crammed full of bottles of energy drink and nutrition bars, fruit etc.
    You guessed it, people kept coming up to me on the ride trying to leech off me, begging food and drink, but I refused pointblank because I'd only got enough for myself!
    So they were dropping out like flies all round the course and only me and a few others finished.
    Did I feel guilty? No way hozay, I felt ANGRY at the scrounging parasites for having the cheek to expect me to feed them!
    I mean, I prepped for the event by packing my little ruck, so they could have easily done the same then they wouldn't have failed to finish the course..
    "Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize" (1 Corinthians 9:24)
    "If you hang around with losers you become a loser"- Donald Trump

    As for a post-apocalypse world, sure you might feel guilty at not sharing your food with people, but you'd feel a heck of a lot more guilty watching your kids starve because you'd given their food away.
    Nightmare post-apoc scenario:- this little girl's parents gave food to everybody who asked and were quickly down to the last few morsels.
    They gave them to her to keep her alive and then they starved to death, leaving her all alone in the big bad world.
    Bad parenting? You tell me..

    "Mummy and daddy are asleep and they won't wake up"
    Last edited by Lucky Jim; 05-01-2013 at 09:19 AM.
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