This is a discussion on Sir Robert Peel, Father of Modern Policing within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by ntxwheels Want some cheese with that whine?? Nope, but I will be treated with the same respect that is asked of me. ...
His colleagues who permit him to continue in the job do not deserve my respect either.
With that background, what I am to think when cops shoot a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun? My reaction is that this is what happens when a fool like the one who stopped me for weaving in traffic confronts a situation that he is too stupid to decipher. This is the price for a lack of professionalism, which brings us back to the OP and the principles.
With outcomes like this, is there any reason for the community to trust that the local police force is competent to do the job? Do they meet Robert Peel's standard? Does the cop who stopped me for weaving in traffic meet Robert Peel's standard? In both cases I think the cops have failed to meet the standard set by Robert Peel.
I had an interesting traffic stop about 12 years ago when I was still working. I had business in DC so I was spending the night in Roslyn, VA at a hotel right next to the Iwo Jima Memorial. I went to eat at a '50s style restaurant (kind of like a diner with juke boxes, etc., all playing the great music we grew up with). This diner was situated at a very weird intersection of Wilson Blvd. The parking lot was a merge point of traffic coming from 3 directions.
I had my dinner (including one beer) and went out to the parking lot. As it was summer, it was still light outside. I got in my car and pulled out into the traffic, only to realize that I had pulled into this intersection on the wrong cycle of the traffic light. (I don't remember if the traffic light was actually visible from the parking lot -- or it could be that I took the wrong part of the parking lot to exit onto the street -- maybe an entrance instead of an exit?). Anyway, all of a sudden I had cars coming at me from all directions -- or so it seemed. I am not normally one to freeze in a hairy situation, but for this one I just stopped dead right there, not knowing which way to pull my car to get out of danger. Horns honking all over the place. All of sudden, I hear this HEAVY pounding on my left rear quarter of the car. I look up and I see this guy on bicycle wearing one of them funny looking lids .... but he had a light blue shirt on, and ...... uh oh ... it had a badge. He then beats on my window, so I lower it and he in a loud voice (to overcome the traffic noise) he yells -- WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I quickly explained that I was not from around there and didn't know the intersection. At this time, his partner -- a lady cop -- also shows up on a bike. The first cop's next words were ... "have you been drinking?" I quickly told him I had one beer. He looks at me again - and must have realized I was not drunk, so he shrugs it off and tells me to wait while he directs the traffic so that I can get on my way. No ticket, no warning.
The suddenness with which these two bicycle cops appeared was pretty amazing.
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A lot of well thought out, intelligent posts in this thread. Are there bad cops? You bet. Did they and the government handle this wrong? I think so. and I agree with much of what was said here. ( with some reservations ) However, not to over simplify, and dispite the black community trying to raise this kids status to sainthood, based on what I saw in the video he was a thug and was probably heading to prison or death. He got death. Irregardless of police competency, racism, or weather he deserved to die for stealing cigars, and political correctness,This kid forced a bad situation. Both the kid in Furguson and the one in Florida, as far as I am concerned, where looking for trouble. They found it.
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I am curious how the posters in this thread feel about the police tactic of using inciters.
My experiences with police have been professional. Apply the golden rule: treat them how you would like to be treated. Show a little respect and the majority of the time you will treated with respect.
I got pulled over last week for speeding in my way home from work. It was a state trooper who have a reputation for being by the book jerks. I used the tips on how to deal with the police from a video posted to this site. Pull over, keys in the dash, hands in the wheel, license and insurance ready and a professional attitude. I got issued a warning. He told me to slow er down and be safe. I could have been a grumpy asshole, but that would have resulted in a similar attitude from the trooper and less money in my pocket. You have to realize how many crazies these guys deal with on a daily basis. They never know what they are walking up on. It could be a guy like me or it could be a sociopath with no respect for life. Just remember your rights and treat them with courtesy and you will be fine.
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