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How Long will this last (Virus shut down)

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    We appear to be about 7 weeks behind China (slowly starting to recover) and about 2 weeks behind Italy (at the beginning of the hardcore fall). Thus, I expect it to get progressively worse for about 2 months then start to show gradual improvement after that as the virus burns itself out. I expect a total of about 3-4 months until we return to where we are at now.

    That being said, I do think commerce will start to "normalize" before we hit the worst of the virus health-wise. I mean, how much panic toilet paper do people really need? I expect the grocery store items that are experiencing a run right now, will start to come back in about 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    Thank God in heaven we are not a country with socialized medicine. The market will see a huge opportunity to assist here, and some folks will make a bundle of cash, all while helping to curb the outbreak.
    Watch the already threadbare NHS system in the UK try to deal with this, take notes, and learn the lessons. We do NOT want that here. Plus, it would completely destroy innovation and research here, which would adversely affect the entire world.
    And now we have, from a "respiratory specialist doctor" working in London under the NHS, an article entitled: "I’m a Doctor in Britain. We’re Heading Into the Abyss."

    As a good socialist does, she blames "A decade of cuts by successive Conservative governments" as the reason behind the failure of the NHS, when in reality it was a bad system from the start. Propping up a bad system by throwing more money at it does not make it a good system.

    I repeat, thank God in heaven we are not a country with socialized medicine.
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    The virus itself will be around forever, just like influenza, and will be used as needed.

    The "shutdown" will be around to some degree until the emergency measures are firmly in place; and will never be fully revoked.
    Recall the 'Patriot Act' (renamed to the more palatable 'Freedom Act' - which is ironic as hell as it took away freedoms)? Always renewed.
    When has any government ever given back powers or freedoms? They're just getting started.

    You really think this wont lead to a nationalized healthcare system? (Which we already have, btw: decisions now divided between Medicare & Big Ins Cos. Doctor/patient decisions long gone.) Or nationalized food distribution? (NYC is already working on this.)

    Silly people. Hyped panic raised public's willingness to increase nanny-state; they're screaming for 'help' now.
    Enjoy your gov support and handouts; big and small. The worse the outbreak becomes - the more the 'support' will be entrenched.
    It's already changed. Game over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    .... Propping up a bad system by throwing more money at it does not make it a good system.

    I repeat, thank God in heaven we are not a country with socialized medicine.
    The only difference - is half of the health care is controlled by government (Medicare, etc) and the other half is controlled by Insurance Companies.
    The former ruled by incompetence; the latter by profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    The only difference - is half of the health care is controlled by government (Medicare, etc) and the other half is controlled by Insurance Companies.
    The former ruled by incompetence; the latter by profit.
    And both work within the boundaries of reality where the market always wins. Sure they can get an advantage now and then, but in the end, the market wins. Companies and governments alike crash like a house of cards. New options arise from the ashes, and the successful will come out on top.
    The difference between government healthcare and private insurance is that one of them wants your money, the other wants you. The one that wants your money must compete to get it. The one that wants you has the power to legislate away all competition.
    I will happily take private insurance companies fighting for my dollar over a government system that thinks they own me.

    In the end, I hope they both burn down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    And both work within the boundaries of reality where the market always wins. Sure they can get an advantage now and then, but in the end, the market wins. Companies and governments alike crash like a house of cards. New options arise from the ashes, and the successful will come out on top.
    The difference between government healthcare and private insurance is that one of them wants your money, the other wants you. The one that wants your money must compete to get it. The one that wants you has the power to legislate away all competition.
    I will happily take private insurance companies fighting for my dollar over a government system that thinks they own me.

    In the end, I hope they both burn down.
    We are not in disagreement about the burning; although my take is they both own you...and neither has 'competition' when the rubber meets the road.
    One of my dearest friends is in distress, because one of her friends needs her pacemaker replaced (because it's failing fast, per her doctors) - and United Health Care denied the procedure; saying it wasn't 'cost efficient'. Her friend is 70 years old. Sounds pretty 'socialized' to me, regardless of what it might feel good to call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    We are not in disagreement about the burning; although my take is they both own you...and neither has 'competition' when the rubber meets the road.
    One of my dearest friends is in distress, because one of her friends needs her pacemaker replaced (because it's failing fast, per her doctors) - and United Health Care denied the procedure; saying it wasn't 'cost efficient'. Her friend is 70 years old. Sounds pretty 'socialized' to me, regardless of what it might feel good to call it.
    We can point to any anecdotal example to make a claim.
    In my personal experience, we have been able to get every single thing we have ever needed from our healthcare insurance provider, and yes, even when under United Healthcare.
    The problem isn't the insurance industry. The problem is customer laziness. Most people just go with their employer offered option. Few ever go out searching for private coverage. You want to get that fire of competition back into the system, start by getting people off their company offerings.

    Your example actually points to an anti-capitalistic argument instead of an anti-socialist argument. (though in the end, socialism still has to deal with the realities of capitalism)
    If I am offering a service, and the cost of offering that service is greater than the compensation I will receive, I do not perform that service. (capitalism)
    In socialism, I don't get that luxury. I am forced to offer that service even though I will take a loss. Eventually I will have to close my business because it will be unsustainable. But government will step in and demand that someone charge less for the things that make my cost so high... thus causing that provider to lose money. And so on down the line until they run out of people to blame for wanting to make a buck. When it comes to the government "owning" the industry (true socialism), they must face the reality of the situation as well, and decide whether they can afford to do the job or not. Somebody loses, and when it's the government on one side of the equation, it won't be them.
    Both systems are based on greed, and when left to a free market, greed can force competition and balance. When forced into unbalance due to claims of moral superiority, the whole thing collapses.

    The fact that insurance companies are in bed with government regulations is another huge problem, and a primary reason that they will both eventually cause a collapse of the healthcare industry if not corrected.
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    The shut down depends on a lot of things . In our state the teacher Union will be calling the shot for schools
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    Recall the 'Patriot Act' (renamed to the more palatable 'Freedom Act' - which is ironic as hell as it took away freedoms)? Always renewed.
    All government programs always mean the opposite of what it is named.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KUSA View Post
    All government programs always mean the opposite of what it is named.
    POST OF THE DAMN DAY!!!!

    So true.
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