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    Justice, but for who??

    This is the kind of stuff that makes my blood boil!
    It seems like the top always gets away with everything they do.
    Then like Comey, they thumb their noses at us, knowing we are just inferior trash or serfs.
    Real justice for career employees and elected officials who violate the to this extent should be hung in a public square.
    I am so sick of this crap.
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    This week, Presiding Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) Judge Rosemary Collyer, released two stern Orders taking the FBI to task for its repeated failures, omissions, and misrepresentations in its application and subsequent renewals to surveil Carter Page.


    And while one FBI employee has received a criminal referral for doctoring evidence in the scheme to defraud the court, key players with oversight responsibilities — under penalty of perjury — have been given a pass.

    Judge Collyer’s December 17, 2019 Order, written after the publication of Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s long-awaited report on FISA abuse, emphasized the role the FBI plays when it makes its assessment on whether probable cause exists to a warrant. In particular, FISC requires the FBI agent swearing to the application fully and accurately provide “information in its possession that is material to whether probable cause exists.”


    She noted that the IG Report revealed “troubling instances in which FBI personnel provided information to NSD which was unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession.” Judge Collyer also expressed concerns about the FBI Office of General Counsel attorney, reported to have been Kevin Clinesmith, who altered evidence to mislead about Carter Page acting as a source for the CIA.

    That Order required:

    (1) The government to inform the Court in a sworn written submission of what it has done, and plans to do, to ensure that the statement of facts in each FBI application accurately and completely reflects information possessed by the FBI that is material to any issue presented by the application. (A January 10, 2020 deadline was given for this submission and left the government with room to maneuver if it needed more time.)

    On December 20, FISC released Judge Collyer’s mostly unredacted December 5, 2019 Order to the United States. This was apparently prepared in response to letters filed with FISC by the government relating to the issues found with the Carter Page application and renewals during the course of the Inspector General’s investigation. She ordered the United States inform FISC by writing of the following:
    1) Identify all other matters currently or previously before this Court that involved the participation of the FBI OGC [Clinesmith] attorney whose conduct was described in the Preliminary Letter and Supplemental Letter;

    (2) Describe any steps taken or to be taken by the Department of Justice or FBI to verify that the United States’ submissions in those matters completely and fully described the material facts and circumstances; and

    (3) Advise whether the conduct of the FBI OGC [Clinesmith] attorney who has been referred to the appropriate bar association(s) for investigation or possible disciplinary action.

    This is a serious Court that deals with serious matters of national security and counterintelligence. The secret nature of FISC requires the United States to be in strict compliance with all certification and verification requirements. It’s a matter of trust. As Judge Collyer observed: “FISC expects the government to comply with its heightened duty of candor in ex parte proceedings at all times. Candor is fundamental to the Court’s effective operation.”
    This trust was broken by the FBI agents and officials whose factual assertions to FISC were inaccurate, incomplete, misleading, and unsupported by the evidence. The duty of candor was breached in the continued reliance on Christopher Steele via DOJ official Bruce Ohr (after they represented to FISC that he had been terminated as a source) and the omission of material facts and exculpatory evidence that undercut their now-debunked representation that Carter Page was operating as a Russian agent.
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    Comey, should be tarred and feathered, a month in the stocks, before being publicly hung . Most of the other underlings too.
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    Just read, she is stepping down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good riddance to the left wing bitch.

    Claims it is for health reasons, probably worried about a 5.56 or 7.62 heart attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOCOM42 View Post
    Just read, she is stepping down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good riddance to the left wing bitch.

    Claims it is for health reasons, probably worried about a 5.56 or 7.62 heart attack.
    However her replacement is as Obama appointee and DNC loyalist. The fix is in.
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    New life as a house husband, major shift in duties.

    Karl Marx said, "Destroy their culture, rewrite their history. Ruin their art and literature, and defame their heroes, by offering fabrications to scandalize that which they considered good.
    After reading this Obama said I am on it.

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    I'm always amazed at the lack of concise arguments from anyone. Example....It's perfectly OK for the DNC to pay for a foreigner to get dirt from another foreign country on a presidential opponent and hand it to the FBI and the FBI to launch a counterintelligence investigation. But its wrong for the President to ask a foreign government to investigate possible corruption committed by a company that participated in that initial election interference just because one of the people happen to be running for president?

    It's ok for the FBI to open an investigation against a candidate and continue it into his presidency, with no evidence, and actually exonerating information, Its not OK for them to do that against any company that happens to have a ties to a DNC candidate, because that would be interfering in an election.

    As far as anyone going to jail for all the FISC stuff.... yep....not gonna happen....it'll be chalked up to mismanagement and lack of oversight. But....there may come a reckoning.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old SF Guy View Post
    I'm always amazed at the lack of concise arguments from anyone. Example....It's perfectly OK for the DNC to pay for a foreigner to get dirt from another foreign country on a presidential opponent and hand it to the FBI and the FBI to launch a counterintelligence investigation. But its wrong for the President to ask a foreign government to investigate possible corruption committed by a company that participated in that initial election interference just because one of the people happen to be running for president?

    It's ok for the FBI to open an investigation against a candidate and continue it into his presidency, with no evidence, and actually exonerating information, Its not OK for them to do that against any company that happens to have a ties to a DNC candidate, because that would be interfering in an election.

    As far as anyone going to jail for all the FISC stuff.... yep....not gonna happen....it'll be chalked up to mismanagement and lack of oversight. But....there may come a reckoning.....
    And let's just completely ignore the fact that uncle Joe demanded a foreign prosecutor be fired in order to protect his son or he and the Oblunder administration would not release funds. The very definition of "Quid Pro Quo". The dumb bastard even bragged about it, and still, all you hear is silence from the talking bobble heads and the news media. Who's deciding what's right and wrong?
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    This is justice. 30 days for cold blooded murder. Now remember "the guy that burned the LGBT flag got 15 years"
    "New Mexico teen gets 30 days in jail for killing man, shouting 'that's what you get!' after shooting him"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexic...ys-jail-murder
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    New life as a house husband, major shift in duties.

    Karl Marx said, "Destroy their culture, rewrite their history. Ruin their art and literature, and defame their heroes, by offering fabrications to scandalize that which they considered good.
    After reading this Obama said I am on it.

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    Rep, Devin Nunez wrote this evil political hack about his concerns and evidence appearing in front of the House Intelligence committee what was occurring in the FISA courts and she could not be bothered to respond, To feign surprise is utter BS, @Smitty901 is correct the fix was in, All thought the FBI, FISA courts, CIA and a whole lot of other parts of government including the Obama White House and the Kenyan himself the DNC, the Clinton campaign and Hildabeast. On big conspiracy for sure. The true extent of what happened will never see the light of day. Low level government workers, bureaucrats and appointed officials do not do this stuff and co ordinate on their own. JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    This is justice. 30 days for cold blooded murder. Now remember "the guy that burned the LGBT flag got 15 years"
    "New Mexico teen gets 30 days in jail for killing man, shouting 'that's what you get!' after shooting him"

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexic...ys-jail-murder

    He is going to be forced to speak to others about the consequences of their actions!!! What consequences? Kill somebody in cold blood and you get 30 days in jail, a stern talking to and counseling? That's a freakin consequence?

    What is wrong with these people??

    This country is in trouble.


    While Armijo could've been held in detention until he turns 21, Jaramillo said she was choosing treatment for him, instead of incarceration. She also ordered him to be on supervised probation and the teen will be required to speak at high schools to lecture students about the consequences of their actions.
    Last edited by Prepared One; 12-24-2019 at 11:32 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    Kill somebody in cold blood and you get 30 days in jail, a stern talking to and counseling? That's a freakin consequence?
    If it makes you feel better, Prepared One, take the slim comfort that the murderer was caught and sentenced to anything.

    As a child who used to watch old TV shows like "Dragnet," I was taught to believe that cheaters never prosper. Yikes, what a dolt I was! Heck, I watched a serial adulterer sworn into the office of President!

    At best, we might catch 30% of the recent killers. There are numerous 'cold case' departments in police departments who search through moldy evidence for any type of clue. In many cases, when the murderer is ascertained, he had already died.

    Every once in a while we hear about a distraught father who guns down the man who raped his daughter. Then the father goes to prison despite the fact that this saddened man did what we all silently thought.

    I wish all thieves and murderers were caught and received a quick and speedy trial. My opinion is that only the stupid, clumsy ones get caught.
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