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    Let’s Talk About Libertarianism

    My participation in a recent thread led me to ponder my self-identified political label. One could label oneself a liberal, democrat, republican, conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, Marxist, etc… For my part, I have previously considered myself a libertarian, but that falls short. Historically, libertarianism has been a mostly leftish philosophy. To the extent of “private ownership of property creates barriers to freedom”, and other equally silly notions. I have previously tried to fit my rather obtuse shaped peg into a variety of different political holes — Republican, conservative, etc. Only to discover that I can only fit “Me” into a “Me” shaped hole.

    That brings us back to the only freedom-based label that even comes close — I am a fiscally conservative, capitalistic, Jesus-loving, right of center human. Now that we’ve established that, let me share what I find onerous about libertarians:

    • Libertarians too often cop-out of the debate. A libertarian who believes people should be free to do what they want and won’t engage on issues that will ultimately affect everyone.
    • That guy who’s just a complete asshat and justifies his anti-social behavior by claiming he’s a libertarian. “Take me or leave me.”
    • The libertarian who won’t stand up for anything to the point of complete isolation. “Ya’ll go ahead and rape, murder, whatever. I’ll be over here doing my own thing”.
    • The single-issue libertarians who just want acceptance for their drug use, sexual deviance or hedonism.


    Now, the big one. The one defining aspect of libertarianism by which I can not abide: The “Crime of having an opinion”. Today’s prevailing flavor of libertarianism does not even allow for me to entertain the notion that I disagree with the manner or methods of another. Case in point: I should not interfere with another person’s chosen sexual orientation. Beyond that, I am also required to embrace, support, and even advocate for their lifestyle. If I even consider for a moment that I might not agree with the way they live their life, I am branded a hypocrite and a “hater”. Which, if I’m being honest, I am. I hate lazy people. I just wish I weren’t so lazy myself.

    I LIKE to engage on the issues. I believe in the freedom for others to pursue what they believe in, but I also reserve the right to engage them and try to pull them over to my way of thinking. “Do what you want, but this way is better.” Yes, I get to have an opinion. I also get to share that opinion. I can even wield that opinion like a blunt object and swing it recklessly. I just can’t kill people who disagree with me. That would be wrong.

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    Very good thread!

    Yes. The Libertarians miss the point of protecting our nation's cultural health. They stand with the Liberals when it comes to activity that has destroyed this nation's moral health.
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    On another forum I visit there are a few Libertarians and they are the biggest bunch of pansies I have ever seen. They love bashing Trump but fail come come up with an alternative. On the occasion they do burp out a name it is someone so obscure it's a nonstarter, "I think Wes Kingston would make a good POTUS. He's the 3rd alderman in Mentone county".

    And of course when you catch their hypocrisy and call them on it these cease to respond anymore.

    What I hate most about them is their smugness. They think they are enlightened and have all the answers. When in reality they are blooming idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie View Post
    Me and you both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie View Post
    I too, like this. I've read it through previously, and while it has a certain fist pumping "You said it, BROTHER" quality, it also has some shortcomings. Just as an example, early on in the document, it quotes John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." While this is certainly appealing to me, it is also utterly irrelevant to America's current reality. The reality is that we NO LONGER live in a country that is religious, or particularly moral. One could then extrapolate that the Constitution is 'inadequate to the current government of the US', is obsolete, and should be abolished.

    Conversely, one could propose that we need bring america BACK to the way it was when the Constitution was created. I don't see anyway to do that short of revolution.

    As to Gun Control, the document addresses it, but ANY constitutionally derived conversation about gun control is very simple - we need ONE gun law, and it's call the second amendment to the constitution. The document calls for the repeal of gun legislation back to and including the GCA of 1968. It should also include the Nation Firearms Act of 1934 and everything in between.

    I used to think that this document was mostly satirical, but have realized recently that it is intended to be taken seriously. As such, I will be seriously critical of it A real fun read, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I too, like this. I've read it through previously, and while it has a certain fist pumping "You said it, BROTHER" quality, it also has some shortcomings. Just as an example, early on in the document, it quotes John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." While this is certainly appealing to me, it is also utterly irrelevant to America's current reality. The reality is that we NO LONGER live in a country that is religious, or particularly moral. One could then extrapolate that the Constitution is 'inadequate to the current government of the US', is obsolete, and should be abolished.
    Our current government's woefully inadequate, not the Constitution.

    Conversely, one could propose that we need bring america BACK to the way it was when the Constitution was created. I don't see anyway to do that short of revolution.
    At this point I think the only way it'll be brought back to its former glory is through a chastisement.

    As to Gun Control, the document addresses it, but ANY constitutionally derived conversation about gun control is very simple - we need ONE gun law, and it's call the second amendment to the constitution. The document calls for the repeal of gun legislation back to and including the GCA of 1968. It should also include the Nation Firearms Act of 1934 and everything in between.
    Yes.

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    Gem of a thread... again... @Jem !

    I used to toss the term "libertarian" around mainly because the scum bags in the democrap and their repube wing just piss me off so bad. But then I realized for every good thing they stood for, there was a bad one or 3...

    But on to more important things;

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    I always thought I was a Conservative. Now I know I am a Constitutionalist.
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    Constitution party nominated a guy who went a little off his rocker last time, Johnson.

    I voted for him cycle before, as alternative was Twit the RINO Traitor.

 

 
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