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    Libertarians are nearly the inverse of Communists: since the one is so loose that it falls apart, and become incoherent; and the other is so invasive, that it chokes the life out of society.
    The Communists are always looking to tweak and correct, but it cannot be corrected, because the very foundation of it, is built on sand. And in a way, that is true of the libertarian, because that too is built on sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    My participation in a recent thread led me to ponder my self-identified political label. One could label oneself a liberal, democrat, republican, conservative, communist, socialist, libertarian, Marxist, etc… For my part, I have previously considered myself a libertarian, but that falls short. Historically, libertarianism has been a mostly leftish philosophy. To the extent of “private ownership of property creates barriers to freedom”, and other equally silly notions. I have previously tried to fit my rather obtuse shaped peg into a variety of different political holes — Republican, conservative, etc. Only to discover that I can only fit “Me” into a “Me” shaped hole.

    That brings us back to the only freedom-based label that even comes close — I am a fiscally conservative, capitalistic, Jesus-loving, right of center human. Now that we’ve established that, let me share what I find onerous about libertarians:

    • Libertarians too often cop-out of the debate. A libertarian who believes people should be free to do what they want and won’t engage on issues that will ultimately affect everyone.
    • That guy who’s just a complete asshat and justifies his anti-social behavior by claiming he’s a libertarian. “Take me or leave me.”
    • The libertarian who won’t stand up for anything to the point of complete isolation. “Ya’ll go ahead and rape, murder, whatever. I’ll be over here doing my own thing”.
    • The single-issue libertarians who just want acceptance for their drug use, sexual deviance or hedonism.


    Now, the big one. The one defining aspect of libertarianism by which I can not abide: The “Crime of having an opinion”. Today’s prevailing flavor of libertarianism does not even allow for me to entertain the notion that I disagree with the manner or methods of another. Case in point: I should not interfere with another person’s chosen sexual orientation. Beyond that, I am also required to embrace, support, and even advocate for their lifestyle. If I even consider for a moment that I might not agree with the way they live their life, I am branded a hypocrite and a “hater”. Which, if I’m being honest, I am. I hate lazy people. I just wish I weren’t so lazy myself.

    I LIKE to engage on the issues. I believe in the freedom for others to pursue what they believe in, but I also reserve the right to engage them and try to pull them over to my way of thinking. “Do what you want, but this way is better.” Yes, I get to have an opinion. I also get to share that opinion. I can even wield that opinion like a blunt object and swing it recklessly. I just can’t kill people who disagree with me. That would be wrong.
    Interesting can of worms somebody opened up here lol. I was a libertaian before it got popular. Now I would be labled a Christian conservative libertaian. We like laws if they line up with the Bible..otherwise butt out of our bidness. Liberal libertarians are best described as anarchists and are generally lawless idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I too, like this. I've read it through previously, and while it has a certain fist pumping "You said it, BROTHER" quality, it also has some shortcomings. Just as an example, early on in the document, it quotes John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." While this is certainly appealing to me, it is also utterly irrelevant to America's current reality. The reality is that we NO LONGER live in a country that is religious, or particularly moral. One could then extrapolate that the Constitution is 'inadequate to the current government of the US', is obsolete, and should be abolished.

    Conversely, one could propose that we need bring america BACK to the way it was when the Constitution was created. I don't see anyway to do that short of revolution.

    As to Gun Control, the document addresses it, but ANY constitutionally derived conversation about gun control is very simple - we need ONE gun law, and it's call the second amendment to the constitution. The document calls for the repeal of gun legislation back to and including the GCA of 1968. It should also include the Nation Firearms Act of 1934 and everything in between.

    I used to think that this document was mostly satirical, but have realized recently that it is intended to be taken seriously. As such, I will be seriously critical of it A real fun read, though.
    Actually, the quote isn’t irrelevant. It succinctly explains why we’re where we are, today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I too, like this. I've read it through previously, and while it has a certain fist pumping "You said it, BROTHER" quality, it also has some shortcomings. Just as an example, early on in the document, it quotes John Adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." While this is certainly appealing to me, it is also utterly irrelevant to America's current reality. The reality is that we NO LONGER live in a country that is religious, or particularly moral. One could then extrapolate that the Constitution is 'inadequate to the current government of the US', is obsolete, and should be abolished.

    Conversely, one could propose that we need bring america BACK to the way it was when the Constitution was created. I don't see anyway to do that short of revolution.

    As to Gun Control, the document addresses it, but ANY constitutionally derived conversation about gun control is very simple - we need ONE gun law, and it's call the second amendment to the constitution. The document calls for the repeal of gun legislation back to and including the GCA of 1968. It should also include the Nation Firearms Act of 1934 and everything in between.

    I used to think that this document was mostly satirical, but have realized recently that it is intended to be taken seriously. As such, I will be seriously critical of it A real fun read, though.
    I actually wanted to get back to this because I didn't get a chance to reply in full. The fact that as you rightly say, "The reality is that we NO LONGER live in a country that is religious, or particularly moral." Yeah. When you have a moral society of well formed conscientious people, it's easy to have a freedom and liberty. It's when you have these nut jobs like the drag queen reading hours popping up at the library that it becomes difficult. They're grooming young children towards this stuff and the parents are the ones taking their own kids there. It's sick. Soros that devil and his kind love it because it's easy to take freedoms and liberty away when you have a society that's hooked on all sorts of vices. They don't want to get off the sofa, stop the gluttony, drunkenness, porn, drug addiction; whatever and turn around to see what's coming.

    After the Civil War what happened is that too much power got handed over to the Federal government and was taken out of the hands of the states. That's not what the Constitution called for. And you can legislate morality to a certain extent within the 10th Amendment. We have the right to protect society (i.e. our children), from library hour with rupaul the drag queen.

    I think the best answer at this point is to move out of the blue states and into the firmly established red ones. It won't stop the carp that's coming down the pike, but it'll slow it down, hopefully. And prayers, sacrifices and penance. Those are missing almost entirely.

    Last edited by Annie; 09-11-2019 at 03:43 PM. Reason: got me colors mixed
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    And we should work for the social Kingship of Christ on the local level.
    Gospel According to St Matthew Chapter 28

    [18] And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
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    "But in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph"--OL Fatima

 

 
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