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This is a discussion on 80 years ago within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by MisterMills357 If America had not gone in, Europe would still be Nazi, there were plenty of collaborators in France and Sweden, etc. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMills357 View Post
    If America had not gone in, Europe would still be Nazi, there were plenty of collaborators in France and Sweden, etc. France had a strong fascist movement, which joined up with the Nazis, after they invaded. And it had an incompetent leadership, which made it easy to defeat.

    Think about Marshall Petain, their greatest military man, who escaped execution because he was senile, and 85 years old. America and France have themselves to blame in ways, because the war was easy to predict.



    The retard Nazi's drove off their best scientists and engineers, and sent them off in a panic, for their lives. The Germans did some research into atomic weapons, but it was a joke. Their best minds ended up at Los Alamos, Hitler was an idiot in ways, and he did not have any strategic thing, it was all tactical.



    And, when Germany took the Sudentanland, and Alsace-Lorraine, France just stood by and let it happen. They depended upon the Maginot Line, and a static defense; instead of an energetic offense. They should have had the sense to see Hitler for what he was, and then make the French Army, better than the German.
    France was in possession of Alsace-Loraine at the time WWII broke out. One of her spoils being on the winning side in WWI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Trapper View Post
    Patton: "I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind me".

    Poland got screwed by the Germans/French then later by the Russians.
    You need to remember that britian and the USofA sold them out to the Russians at Yalta in Feb 1945
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    The European Exchange Euro banking is identical to what Germany was doing in the early 1900's. Many people became socialist after WW1/2 due to need of the state to help them get back on their feet. Its still a thing in many peoples mind to become socialist. Allot those same people came to USA and set up camp, and its showing within our own government. History is slowly repeating itself, albiet in a different manner.
    The Soviets were our allies in WW2, and we created an enemy for some damn reason after that. England just finished paying us off from what they borrowed during WW2 in the mid 2000s..
    So many should have could have would have scenarios. But, we as a society dont want to see another WW2, yet we refuse to see what we are doing right now, choosing sides, making enemys crawl into a corner (Iran, NK for example).
    Well, off my soap box. WW2 was an extraordinary event, we dont want that again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Old Man View Post
    You need to remember that britian and the USofA sold them out to the Russians at Yalta in Feb 1945
    The second time!!!, I was thinking 1939.

    Rossevelt was as good as a Commie, was a Commie! DemocRAT!!!

    The free this and that started with that POS.

    My Grandparents, got through the depression, without electricity, on a farm , with 11 children. Think about that?

    11 Kids, no WELFARE, no FREE $#!T!!! Nobody hungry!!!

    They never needed work, there was plenty on the farm, and never needed food there was plenty on the farm, they grew their own hunted/fished/trapped. Fur prices were real good then, I still have my uncles traps.


    FUK FDR and the welfare state!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tourist View Post
    While not being born until five years after the war, I'm glad that Hitler's generals finally got their way.

    Could you imagine how it would have turned out if the Luftwaffe would have all flown jet aircraft and started their world war by bombing England back to the stone age. It took America, France, England and some of Russia to sack the Third Reich in only four years.

    There was a story in the old Readers Digest on how some of our fighters flying P-51 Mustangs saw their first jet-powered German fighter.

    Here's what I found:

    The Messerschmitt Me 262, nicknamed Schwalbe (German: "Swallow") in fighter versions, or Sturmvogel (German: "Storm Bird") in fighter-bomber versions, was the world's first operational jet-powered fighter aircraft.
    I think you mean "did not get their way".
    Hitler started the war 80 years ago yesterday!
    The ME 262 was a long way from becoming a true operational aircraft, the engines were only good for 15-25 hours before burnout.
    The 30MM Rheinmetall Borsig MK-108 cannon had its drawbacks also,
    it could not be fired in a high G turn without stopping the guns until they were cleared on the ground.
    Don't knock the P-51, it held itself well with the 262,
    it could exceed the 262 in a dive, never to exceed speed of the Mustang was almost a 100 MPH faster!
    If a mustang pilot was aware of the presence of the 262 he could easily avoid it as it could out turn the 262 with ease,
    therefor giving the 262 pilot no deflection shot.
    The 262 was not there as a dog fighter, but as a bomber interceptor, it tried to evade the bomber's escorts.
    For engagement the 262 would climb above the bomber stream and then dive into it, fire at a bomber, then keep on going in it's dive.
    The birds duration was only 15 minutes in the air.
    Mustangs would roll over and go after them and if done soon enough catch them.
    Now as far as its roll as a fighter bomber goes, its usage on ground troops was a disaster for two prime reasons,
    it was ordered to bomb from too high an altitude and too small a bomb load (3) along with too few planes, strategically it only had nuisance value.
    The highest amount to enter battle at one time was 25 I believe.
    On any given day the bomber stream was escorted by 400-700 fighters with covering an average of 800 bombers,
    they kept out of the bombers gun range for good reason.
    The Brits were working on a jet fighter before the war started, along with the Whittle centrifugal flow engine.
    The plans for that engine were hand carried to the General Electric Company, for building here.
    GE were experts in superchargers and turbo- superchargers on which the Whittle engine was based,
    our F-80 Shooting Star was powered by a model of that engine as was our first jet the Bell P-59 Airacomet flown in 1942.
    Had the war gone into 1946,
    the F-80 would have entered combat along with the British Meteor fighter, both were much better in performance and reliability.
    Speaking of entering the war, the Convair B-36 bomber was on the drawing board for production to bomb Germany from the US.
    One last thing, the Russians lost, killed, over 26 and a half million people in the war!!!

    Now all this is from memory, if needed I will dig up the facts.
    Last edited by SOCOM42; 09-01-2019 at 09:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real Old Man View Post
    You need to remember that britian and the USofA sold them out to the Russians at Yalta in Feb 1945
    Back to other point FDR a POS democRAT.

    USA had monopoly on power then. They/we could have saved Eastern Europe from Russia, we could have saved China from Mao, We could have nuked the Chi-Coms in Korea.

    Well that is another democRAT Truman....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOCOM42 View Post
    I think you mean "did not get their way".
    Hitler started the war 80 years ago yesterday!
    The ME 262 was a long way from becoming a true operational aircraft, the engines were only good for 15-25 hours before burnout.
    The 30MM Rheinmetall Borsig MK-108 cannon had its drawbacks also,
    it could not be fired in a high G turn without stopping the guns until they were cleared on the ground.
    Don't knock the P-51, it held itself well with the 262,
    it could exceed the 262 in a dive, never to exceed speed of the Mustang was almost a 100 MPH faster!
    If a mustang pilot was aware of the presence of the 262 he could easily avoid it as it could out turn the 262 with ease,
    therefor giving the 262 pilot no deflection shot.
    The 262 was not there as a dog fighter, but as a bomber interceptor, it tried to evade the bomber's escorts.
    For engagement the 262 would climb above the bomber stream and then dive into it, fire at a bomber, then keep on going in it's dive.
    The birds duration was only 15 minutes in the air.
    Mustangs would roll over and go after them and if done soon enough catch them.
    Now as far as its roll as a fighter bomber goes, its usage on ground troops was a disaster for two prime reasons,
    it was ordered to bomb from too high an altitude and too small a bomb load (3) along with too few planes, strategically it only had nuisance value.
    The highest amount to enter battle at one time was 25 I believe.
    On any given day the bomber stream was escorted by 400-700 fighters with covering an average of 800 bombers,
    they kept out of the bombers gun range for good reason.
    The Brits were working on a jet fighter before the war started, along with the Whittle centrifugal flow engine.
    The plans for that engine were hand carried to the General Electric Company, for building here.
    GE were experts in superchargers and turbo- superchargers on which the Whittle engine was based,
    our F-80 Shooting Star was powered by a model of that engine as was our first jet the Bell P-59 Airacomet flown in 1942.
    Had the war gone into 1946,
    the F-80 would have entered combat along with the British Meteor fighter, both were much better in performance and reliability.
    Speaking of entering the war, the Convair B-36 bomber was on the drawing board for production to bomb Germany from the US.
    One last thing, the Russians lost, killed, over 26 and a half million people in the war!!!
    Good to hear the truth, again SOCOM. My Dad was 8th Air force, he made it home. I wish we had talked more.

    I have the pink plane sillouets, with black outlines of planes, friends and foes, my Dad took home. Pink, so when lit up no night vision effect. I still have those.

    Enjoy Tomorrow, Enjoy You are free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that if the French had not come to our aid during the Revolution, we would still be part of Great Britain.

    I have friends in France that to this day remember and honor their American liberators.

    ThanksGIs celebrates my division, the 5th Infantry, crossing the Moselle and freeing the villages of Dornot, and Corny.
    I personally know the President of this organization, and have met her through our reunions.
    I know, and I still despise the French. I have a very good friend from France that comes over to ride roundup with us every April and October. He is tough as nails and is a very good cowboy. He is welcome at my supper table any time he chooses. I love him as a brother and an individual but he is still a damn frog-eater!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inor View Post
    I know, and I still despise the French. I have a very good friend from France that comes over to ride roundup with us every April and October. He is tough as nails and is a very good cowboy. He is welcome at my supper table any time he chooses. I love him as a brother and an individual but he is still a damn frog-eater!
    Inor,

    I'll thank those good Frenchy that gave us Freedom. Layfette (?sp?) et al , I won't condem them on their fathers sins.

    Those traitors, WWI and WWII, can rot in hell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Trapper View Post
    Inor,

    I'll thank those good Frenchy that gave us Freedom. Layfette (?sp?) et al , I won't condem them on their fathers sins.

    Those traitors, WWI and WWII, can rot in hell
    And since! I don't forgive the pricks for not even letting our boys fly over France when we bombed Libya in 1986! France, as a country, is a complete train wreck and I hope they suffer. There are about 7 individual frog-eaters that I hope survive their collective insanity.
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