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This is a discussion on Let's Talk About PTSD Fraud within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; I wanted to drill down a bit on the symptoms of PTSD The symptoms of PTSD off the VA website are as follows: Anger depression ...

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    I wanted to drill down a bit on the symptoms of PTSD

    The symptoms of PTSD off the VA website are as follows:

    Anger
    depression
    anxiety
    intrusive thoughts or memories
    flashbacks
    fatigue
    nightmares
    loss of concentration
    increased startle
    hypervigilance
    avoidance
    isolation
    emotional numbing
    lack of trust
    suicidal ideation or suicidal thoughts

    The problem with this list is that just about all of the symptoms could be experienced individually or in groups on an average commute to work. The self-professed mental state of the individual is the only real metric, and that's tough to measure. Another common claim for the disabilities crowd is "lower back pain." Almost impossible to either prove or disprove. I think that perhaps that is why PTSD is such an easy claim for fraud. I have PTSD because I SAY I have PTSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyro_cfi View Post
    Main problem is with big government employees trying to grow the government. My PTSD story: I served in the Army and got out in 1985 at the rank of CW2. Thirty years later I'm in the unemployment office filing for unemployment and am sat down across from a "VA Specialist".
    He's shocked that I haven't been rated by the VA for disabilities I incurred in service. So, he's filling out a referral form and asked me 3 to 4 different ways about what possible terrible things I've seen, bad service related dreams, emotional triggers that might be service related. Comes right out and tells me he is trying to set me up for PTSD benefits.
    By the way, no military conflicts were occurring while I was in and I served most of my time in Hawaii as a UH-1 pilot. Somebody had to do the tough jobs. Yes, thank you for my service , it was hell. I do get benefits for a real injury, I can't hear worth a damn anymore.
    Helo flying is serious stress. When I was in Hawaii, I had to help find and pull bodies out after a Coastie helos basket cable ripped during a training op, and the cable flew into the rotors. Full speed straight into the ocean.
    Dont sell yourself short. Heck, even our neighbor at Ft Rucker had stress due to training helo pilots in 84/85.
    But, I see the reality is, many people handle stress different than others. Some can handle high levels, and not even phase them. Some, cant handle a pin drop due to something they incurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I wanted to drill down a bit on the symptoms of PTSD

    The symptoms of PTSD off the VA website are as follows:

    Anger
    depression
    anxiety
    intrusive thoughts or memories
    flashbacks
    fatigue
    nightmares
    loss of concentration
    increased startle
    hypervigilance
    avoidance
    isolation
    emotional numbing
    lack of trust
    suicidal ideation or suicidal thoughts

    The problem with this list is that just about all of the symptoms could be experienced individually or in groups on an average commute to work. The self-professed mental state of the individual is the only real metric, and that's tough to measure. Another common claim for the disabilities crowd is "lower back pain." Almost impossible to either prove or disprove. I think that perhaps that is why PTSD is such an easy claim for fraud. I have PTSD because I SAY I have PTSD.
    That also describes many people with Alcohol and other drug addition. It describes many people that are just pain in but to begin with. I do agree with what you posted.
    Also if you take an 18-19 year old with behavior issues and or Alcohol problems and send him off to combat for 15 to 24 months when he gets home what you have is an 20-22 year old with an excuse. I often questioned why Soldiers in treatment medical hold are given drugs. Then a pay check and passes. To go out drinking. But it happens all the time. Arguing that issue with chain of command i get a lot of well they have a right to a pass. I say no they do not. if they are taking have drugs for treatment they need to be monitored not out drinking.
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    You forgot survivor guilt. And sleep disturbance.
    And even today, 50 years after the fact, I still have what the VA terms an exaggerated startle response.
    And, “anger” does not really describe it. “Rage” is closer.

    What is indesputable is that repeated trauma, such as that caused by warfare, causes chemical changes in the deep, subconscious, part of the brain, sometimes called the lizard brain. It has been proven by the use of MRI’s on PTSD brains and normal brains.
    There was a very good article on this in the VVA Veteran magazine a few years ago, complete with color pictures of the MRI’s.

    Previous generations coped with this through alcohol abuse. Many still do today. A trip to the local VFW bar will illustrate this.
    I used this method for 20 years.

    The VA wants to simply treat the symptoms with drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    I work with several veterans of the 160th who served in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them have PTSD. All of our test pilots were there and none are drawing a check. There are a few guardsmen who served over there as ground-pounders. To my knowledge, none have PTSD.
    And the 160th pilots are some of the smartest, funniest people on earth too. Worked with several at Collins putting together avionics and communications systems.
    In my unit, out of flight school, every senior pilot I've met that flew in Vietnam seemed to have had the opposite reaction to combat. They enjoyed the experience even though every one of them had been hit with small arms during the war.
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    My childhood best friend worked with Task Force 160 as a Chinook mechanic. They did lots of deck landing qualifications on my ship and a real world op involving Delta Force and the Achille Lauro. Those pilots were among the best. That was the only time we had CH47s on board. They were black.
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    The VA uses DSM 5 criteria in addition to evidence from the veteran's file, self report and collateral report to come to a diagnosis of PTSD. Is it over diagnosed? Yes, but that happens every where. It would be more accurate to use the diagnosis of "trauma reaction" which many more veterans and people would have versus PTSD. It is more common for veterans to be diagnosed with anxiety disorder and depression than PTSD in my experience working for the VA. A veteran can still get service connected up to 100% with either as well.
    Last edited by RedLion; 08-12-2019 at 06:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLion View Post
    The VA uses DSM 5 criteria in addition to evidence from the veteran's file, self report and collateral report to come to a diagnosis of PTSD. Is it over diagnosed? Yes, but that happens every where. It would be more accurate to use the diagnosis of "trauma reaction" which many more veterans and people would have versus PTSD. It is more common for veterans to be diagnosed with anxiety disorder and depression than PTSD in my experience working for the VA. A veteran can still get service connected up to 100% with either as well.
    RL, is the VA digitizing old hand written files from the 1980's, or is my Vet Center file quietly collecting dust?
    I thought I was safe, but I heard everything is being digitized.

    I'm the opposite of a fake PTSD disability claimant. Yes, I have it, but I want to be left alone by the government.
    With the passage of time, alcohol abstinence, and my faith I'm usually OK.
    But unexpected bright flashes of light and sudden loud noises still send a jolt of adrenaline straight into my heart. It hurts, too!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLion View Post
    The VA uses DSM 5 criteria in addition to evidence from the veteran's file, self report and collateral report to come to a diagnosis of PTSD. Is it over diagnosed? Yes, but that happens every where. It would be more accurate to use the diagnosis of "trauma reaction" which many more veterans and people would have versus PTSD. It is more common for veterans to be diagnosed with anxiety disorder and depression than PTSD in my experience working for the VA. A veteran can still get service connected up to 100% with either as well.
    Will anxiety or depression "Red-Flag" them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I wanted to drill down a bit on the symptoms of PTSD

    The symptoms of PTSD off the VA website are as follows:

    Anger
    depression
    anxiety
    intrusive thoughts or memories
    flashbacks
    fatigue
    nightmares
    loss of concentration
    increased startle
    hypervigilance
    avoidance
    isolation
    emotional numbing
    lack of trust
    suicidal ideation or suicidal thoughts

    The problem with this list is that just about all of the symptoms could be experienced individually or in groups on an average commute to work. The self-professed mental state of the individual is the only real metric, and that's tough to measure. Another common claim for the disabilities crowd is "lower back pain." Almost impossible to either prove or disprove. I think that perhaps that is why PTSD is such an easy claim for fraud. I have PTSD because I SAY I have PTSD.
    Hell, I suffer most of those symptoms on the drive into the office every morning.
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