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This is a discussion on Let's Talk About PTSD Fraud within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; In the early 1980's I began to realize there may be something wrong with me. I thought maybe I was just crazy. But when I ...

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    In the early 1980's I began to realize there may be something wrong with me. I thought maybe I was just crazy.
    But when I saw a list of the symptoms of what was called at the time Post Vietnam Syndrome, I felt relief that I wasn't alone, nor crazy.

    It wasn't until '85, faced with a divorce, that I went to the VA Vet Center program. I received several years of counselling and therapy, but never took the drugs they offered, nor did I apply for a disability for PTSD.
    I could function in society (although I didn't want anything to do with it) and got along fairly well.
    The best thing I did was to completely abstain from alcohol, and find Jesus.

    In 2010, during debate on a defense bill, the Dems added an amendment to bar any vets with PTSD from owning firearms. It was contentious, and the Senator that managed to get it shot down was John McCain.
    But that really worried me. Although I never went for an official diagnosis and collect disability, there still is a thick file on me at a certain Vet Center.

    When I signed up for the VA healthcare system, there was a multi page questionnaire to fill out. About the 3rd or 4th page I noticed questions that may look innocent to a casual observer, but I had the experience to see they were fishing for PTSD. Of course, I knew what they were looking for and didn't give it to them.

    For the record, I served 2 years, 8 months, and 28 days. When my year in Nam was up, they asked me if I wanted to re-up. I told 'em I wanted to go home.
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    I see these young bucks I work with that are vets. I see they get a disability, and I can't figure why and they still work. Here I am 66 years old, served in combat and I thought I was doing pretty good. I have two artificial knees and two hips. All service connected, due to a hard fall with a partial shute opening. I NEVER asked for any disability. But last year they started on me (VA Rep) about what percentage do I have? I told them zero. I have a disability, but my employer works with me. I am a Respiratory Therapist and they make sure I am sitting whenever possible. If I get where I can't work any more due my disabilities, maybe I will talk to them. That is what disability is supposed to mean. I thought. I have a problem with all the PTSD survivors out there. I see a lot of vets, but I can not really see all the claims of PTSD being real. My BIL suffers from it, And he waited 45 years to file a claim. He should of done it years ago. PTSD is out there but I don't think it is as common as reported.
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    There is a woman in her mid to late 30’s in California that brags about her service connection and it’s $3600 a month she gets for it since a commanding officer GRABBED a rubber band and shot it at her ass and gave her PTSD for life. Makes me sick.
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    How much VA disability compensation service members gets is often a lot less than what you think. How the percentage is figured is also something many do not understand. When you hear that a person is getting 1,000's of dollars a month for a disability it may not be true.
    Even some one with major life restricting injuries that are clearly visible does not get near what you might think. Each case is some what different. And a injury does not always end up with compensation. Any disability amount assigned can be and is at time reviewed. In my case I was awarded a disability for shoulder injury. I chose surgery to try and fix it . Ireland medical center Fort Knox fixed it. So while an award was made none was ever paid. I am ok with that I wanted it fixed. This is not a law suit , the VA does not award pain and suffering.
    To give an example of how it works I do have a permanent disability awarded at 20% the shoulder was assigned at 20%. The two of them added up do not make a 40% disability. It would have been about 30% max.
    The check for the 20% is not a big one. You also must remember it is deducted from retirement pay. You can choose to not have it deducted but it makes no sense to do so. The advantage is the DA is non taxable .
    The number that I had first hand knowledge of being paid for PTSD to some soldiers was $695 a month and that was not a permanent award. Any VA disability can be reviewed and the out come can very depending on who does the review.
    There are a few on this sight that have a lot more inside knowledge of how VA compensation works than I they work for the VA. I just caution people that what you hear and the facts are often not even close.
    Like him or not . President Trump has forced one heck of a change at the VA. So any vet not going to the VA out of anger from past treatment should reconsider.
    For some PTSD is real the effects of it on a persons life very. Treatment is not a one size fits all. No one knows why PTS effects one and not the other, a question we will never have answered.
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    Has anyone noted the “ad choice” selections that popped up over this thread?

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    Disabilities are BIG BUSINESS. Not just the disabled cash in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Has anyone noted the “ad choice” selections that popped up over this thread?

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    Disabilities are BIG BUSINESS. Not just the disabled cash in.
    Any time money is involved there will be scams. Sadly many that should get help are cheated by the system and then the lawyers get involved. Then often lawyers and jurors cheat the system. It is a never ending rat race. The VA compensation system is not easy to work with. It is getting better.
    When I see all the real scam artist and ways tax payer money is pasted out in other programs I am not going to get as up set if a few in the the VA system get money they should not. I am more concerned that those that have it coming get what they should.
    You want to tackle scams go look at medicare the list is endless. As for the ads . That pays the bills here.
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    Well, I never served in combat but I know some old Vietnam vets from my old days and I can say PTSD exists. Not all of course, but some are truly effected. I am also sure that if it's a government maintenance program it can, and will be, scammed and abused at taxpayer expense, as well as poorly managed with little oversight.

    That said, with regards to "Red Flag Laws and the PTSD implications, do we really want the government and it's incompetent bureaucrats, particularly the socialists now in place, and knowing their agenda, deciding who among us, all of us, is crazy and who is not? No one wants a crazy SOB to have a gun, but "Red Flag Laws" are a slippery and dangerous slope. Keep in mind that kid in Florida who shot up the school had all kinds of red flags that were largely ignored. We will rue the day if that legislation is ever passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    Well, I never served in combat but I know some old Vietnam vets from my old days and I can say PTSD exists. Not all of course, but some are truly effected. I am also sure that if it's a government maintenance program it can, and will be, scammed and abused at taxpayer expense, as well as poorly managed with little oversight.

    That said, with regards to "Red Flag Laws and the PTSD implications, do we really want the government and it's incompetent bureaucrats, particularly the socialists now in place, and knowing their agenda, deciding who among us, all of us, PTSD's included, is crazy and who is not? No one wants a crazy SOB to have a gun, but "Red Flag Laws" are a slippery and dangerous slope. Keep in mind that kid in Florida who shot up the school had all kinds of red flags that were largely ignored. We will rue the day that if that legislation is ever passed.
    Red Flag laws are a real threat to our freedoms. All one has to do is say, "Uh, yeah, I have heard Prepared One talk about how he could use his gun to clear out anyone that opposes him. I have seen that he has many guns. I am fearful he may do something", and wahLah….Prepared One suddenly is deprived of his COTUS right to keep and bear arms. It is a scary situation. It is so dangerous because all it takes is one person that does not like you to potentially render you armless for at least a short duration......in which space said someone or others might decide to take advantage of the sudden "gunfree zone" that is your home or person.
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    I know a local female, who was a medical tech for three years in the Army, 1974 to 77. Never left the States.
    I met her in the American Legion, where, for a time she was Service Officer. That is a person who is half-assed trained to help members get VA benefits.
    She used the knowledge she learned to file claim after claim, and today she is rated 100% disabled. For what, I do not know.
    This is one vet who is clearly scamming the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Annie - I knew that this post would be touchy, and maybe even inflammatory. I absolutely acknowledge that PTSD is real, and can take many forms. I apologize for the angst I caused you personally, but not for my broader generalizations. Also, I wished I had used the less vulgar word "teet." I should have known better, having grown up on a dairy farm.
    No offense taken.
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