Thanks for the tip on Savoie. I got a hot tip from a real cajun who said use their jarred roux. So I went to great lengths to get a jar smuggled in from the cajun food grocery store in an adjoing town. Dont think I ever got around to using it lol. I make a killer rouxless gumbo..lol. Well it has Tonys Instant Roux and brown gravy mix in it. Now thats good stuff. lol.