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This is a discussion on For No Longer than Two Years within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy Gee, I wish someone had told the Japs that in the fall of 1941. Remember, the U.S. government's hands ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    Gee, I wish someone had told the Japs that in the fall of 1941.
    Remember, the U.S. government's hands weren't clean when it comes to the build-up to the Asian theater. I'm sure you know that history. You are the best lay-historian I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    Problem is that the danger that f a large, standing army still exists. With the socialists getting close to gaining control, the danger will only increase.

    Speaking of the Navy, it is supposed to be maintained. It wasn’t viewed the same way as the Army was.
    My thought as well. Problem is, as I see it, this is 2019, not 1776. The world has changed, logistics have changed, we are no longer protected by two oceans that separate us from the rest of the world. We won't have 6 months or a year to gear up for war. I believe our military should be the biggest, baddest, most lethal sons-of-bitches on the planet, ready to go at a moments notice, and that the world should take note of that fact.

    On the other hand, how do you reconcile that very real need against the possibility of that force being used to squash the peoples liberty? Especially when weighing the real possibility the socialist could very well be close to having total power in the federal government. What recourse would the people have against such a force? A conundrum of sorts, don't you think? One I am sure the oligarchs have considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    My thought as well. Problem is, as I see it, this is 2019, not 1776. The world has changed, logistics have changed, we are no longer protected by two oceans that separate us from the rest of the world. We won't have 6 months or a year to gear up for war. I believe our military should be the biggest, baddest, most lethal sons-of-bitches on the planet, ready to go at a moments notice, and that the world should take note of that fact.

    On the other hand, how do you reconcile that very real need against the possibility of that force being used to squash the peoples liberty? Especially when weighing the real possibility the socialist could very well be close to having total power in the federal government. What recourse would the people have against such a force? A conundrum of sorts, don't you think? One I am sure the oligarchs have considered.
    The US military, the strongest, best, most well trained the world had/has ever seen could not prevail in Vietnam against an army without tanks, aircraft. And is not prevailing in Afghanistan against a relatively unorganized army without tanks or aircraft.

    Would millions of American civilians die? Most likely.
    Which side would prevail depends upon dedication to duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    My thought as well. Problem is, as I see it, this is 2019, not 1776. The world has changed, logistics have changed, we are no longer protected by two oceans that separate us from the rest of the world. We won't have 6 months or a year to gear up for war. I believe our military should be the biggest, baddest, most lethal sons-of-bitches on the planet, ready to go at a moments notice, and that the world should take note of that fact.

    On the other hand, how do you reconcile that very real need against the possibility of that force being used to squash the peoples liberty? Especially when weighing the real possibility the socialist could very well be close to having total power in the federal government. What recourse would the people have against such a force? A conundrum of sorts, don't you think? One I am sure the oligarchs have considered.
    The world has certainly changed, but why? @rice paddy daddy mentioned Vietnam and Afghanistan as examples - a couple of examples of places where we should not have gone.

    Those who control or influence our government create global situations on purpose and our servicemen are used as pawns. This is not what the framers of our Constitution envisioned and it isn't something we should approve, but we aren't willing to look behind the curtain but are more than willing to wave the flag and demand blood when we are told to do so.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about the military/industrial complex but we still ignore his warning.

    I've suggested this book many times. You can read it online and not even buy the hard copy if you prefer. It's an eye-opener, even though it was written in the late '70s. Understand how government is influenced, public opinion is manipulated, and lives and national treasure are squandered on behalf of the Globalists.

    Offering a "Yeah, but" for examples of our military being used in far-away lands because of situations created by Globalist policy-makers only gives cover for the next time.

    Oh. Here's the book I'd really suggest y'all read:

    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-rX5f...utton_djvu.txt
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice paddy daddy View Post
    The US military, the strongest, best, most well trained the world had/has ever seen could not prevail in Vietnam against an army without tanks, aircraft. And is not prevailing in Afghanistan against a relatively unorganized army without tanks or aircraft.

    Would millions of American civilians die? Most likely.
    Which side would prevail depends upon dedication to duty.
    That brings us back to the commitment of those in uniform. If they are more dedicated to God, family and the principles upon which our Republic rests, they would use their tank, plane, etc. to the benefit of the people. But, we must have weapons since that battle always comes down to boots on the ground and face to face confrontations. Estimates are that the American people have 400 MILLION firearms at present. It's quite a force. I'm hoping we survive Nancy Pelosi and keep it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepared One View Post
    My thought as well. Problem is, as I see it, this is 2019, not 1776. The world has changed, logistics have changed, we are no longer protected by two oceans that separate us from the rest of the world. We won't have 6 months or a year to gear up for war. I believe our military should be the biggest, baddest, most lethal sons-of-bitches on the planet, ready to go at a moments notice, and that the world should take note of that fact.

    On the other hand, how do you reconcile that very real need against the possibility of that force being used to squash the peoples liberty? Especially when weighing the real possibility the socialist could very well be close to having total power in the federal government. What recourse would the people have against such a force? A conundrum of sorts, don't you think? One I am sure the oligarchs have considered.
    Because the military is full of people like me...who will immediately refuse such orders or work to undermine illegal actions. Many on the left claim us to be poor sodden bastards who are wonderfully naive idiots, who sadly are brain washed into doing what we are told. It is here, with my military family, that I have the most profound and thought provoking discussions from everything from politics, to economics, social studies, history, and yes, Constitutional law and the framers intents.

    This is my profession, and as so is a constant study of our U.S. as well as world history, events, social discourse, technologies, and strategies.

    The people who should fear the U.S. Military's role in usurping the Constitution....are those who would seek us to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old SF Guy View Post
    Because the military is full of people like me...who will immediately refuse such orders or work to undermine illegal actions. Many on the left claim us to be poor sodden bastards who are wonderfully naive idiots, who sadly are brain washed into doing what we are told. It is here, with my military family, that I have the most profound and thought provoking discussions from everything from politics, to economics, social studies, history, and yes, Constitutional law and the framers intents.

    This is my profession, and as so is a constant study of our U.S. as well as world history, events, social discourse, technologies, and strategies.

    The people who should fear the U.S. Military's role in usurping the Constitution....are those who would seek us to do so.
    Let's hope the U.S. Military is chuck full of guys like you @Old SF Guy . You and guys like @rice paddy daddy and other like minded military folks who look to the constitution and our proud history for guidance rather then the mealy mouthed, revisionist history bull shit, spewed by the far left. The future of this country, indeed, this republic, may very well depend on guys like you in the very near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old SF Guy View Post
    Because the military is full of people like me...who will immediately refuse such orders or work to undermine illegal actions. Many on the left claim us to be poor sodden bastards who are wonderfully naive idiots, who sadly are brain washed into doing what we are told. It is here, with my military family, that I have the most profound and thought provoking discussions from everything from politics, to economics, social studies, history, and yes, Constitutional law and the framers intents.

    This is my profession, and as so is a constant study of our U.S. as well as world history, events, social discourse, technologies, and strategies.

    The people who should fear the U.S. Military's role in usurping the Constitution....are those who would seek us to do so.
    I hear ya, Brother, but you do agree that the military has been used in ways that were not what the framers intended. Globalist elites from within as well as without political offices have manufactured situations for our military to go storming into foreign countries for reasons other than existential threats against our nation or our constitution.

    If you read that book for which I provided a link to the online PDF format, you'll see how the Soviet Union was given what was necessary to keep up with us during the Cold War.
    If you think about our excursions into the Middle East, you'll notice countries that were looking to not use the petrodollar were taken out. It could be said that doing so was in our interest, but the Federal Reserve in itself is against the interest of our fellow countrymen.

    I could go on, but you get the point. The founders knew that a large, standing army would be used for nefarious purposes. President Eisenhower warned us to the best of his ability. President Kennedy wanted to put us back on proper monetary footing and we know what happened to him. President Reagan questioned the IRS and some guy tried to take him out of teh game in order to get Jody Foster's attention. Really? To get Jody Foster's attention? Heck; I could have come up with a better cover story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denton View Post
    I hear ya, Brother, but you do agree that the military has been used in ways that were not what the framers intended. Globalist elites from within as well as without political offices have manufactured situations for our military to go storming into foreign countries for reasons other than existential threats against our nation or our constitution.

    If you read that book for which I provided a link to the online PDF format, you'll see how the Soviet Union was given what was necessary to keep up with us during the Cold War.
    If you think about our excursions into the Middle East, you'll notice countries that were looking to not use the petrodollar were taken out. It could be said that doing so was in our interest, but the Federal Reserve in itself is against the interest of our fellow countrymen.

    I could go on, but you get the point. The founders knew that a large, standing army would be used for nefarious purposes. President Eisenhower warned us to the best of his ability. President Kennedy wanted to put us back on proper monetary footing and we know what happened to him. President Reagan questioned the IRS and some guy tried to take him out of teh game in order to get Jody Foster's attention. Really? To get Jody Foster's attention? Heck; I could have come up with a better cover story!
    Oh I agree that we are often a tool politician use to gain advantages for themselves and their donors globally, and I am far from the belief that we as a military have clean hands. I detest nearly every General and Admiral I have worked with in my 30 plus years (Most if not all the Colonel and Lt. Colonels.) and a huge amount of the Majors....and every single Command Sergeant Major I have ever known.... But for every one of them theres about 50 soldiers. I dislike them so much that I am skeptical of all objectives, intel, and motives...which makes me seek to be learned and steeped in knowledge that I can use to best guide my decisions.

    Blind loyalty???? Well thats what Dems and Republicans get from their base and their side.

 

 
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