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    Rights and Liberties

    I hear people claiming that they are losing rights and liberties if a border wall goes up, or that the wall is a socialist idea, so I ask..... What rights and/or liberties do citizens lose by either immigration laws or a border wall being built?

    What say you.
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    The aniti wall crowd is just spouting liberal propganda trying to create new democrat voters. A fence will work just as good and cost much less. Pretty sure Trump has that figured out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwheel View Post
    The aniti wall crowd is just spouting liberal propganda trying to create new democrat voters. A fence will work just as good and cost much less. Pretty sure Trump has that figured out.
    I'm pretty sure Trump has it figured out too, so did California when they put up a barrier along it's southern border 30+ years ago, funny how illegal crossing went down by 95%+ any where a fence/wall was put in place.

    What about the question posed in the OP?
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    We've already lost the right / liberty to move freely around the country if you happen to be within 100 miles of a border or ocean. And that's without a wall. You get stopped, searched, detained, beat up, arrested, suffer property damage........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traxxas View Post
    I hear people claiming that they are losing rights and liberties if a border wall goes up, or that the wall is a socialist idea, so I ask..... What rights and/or liberties do citizens lose by either immigration laws or a border wall being built?

    What say you.
    Keeping non-citizens out of a sovereign nation is critical and no rights of the citizens are lost while liberty is maintained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back Pack Hack View Post
    We've already lost the right / liberty to move freely around the country if you happen to be within 100 miles of a border or ocean. And that's without a wall. You get stopped, searched, detained, beat up, arrested, suffer property damage........
    So you don't agree with a SCOTUS approved legal Terry Stop? Funny how over 70% of the US population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Please don't link to the idiot preacher who lost his court case against the federal government regarding his 4A rights and Terry Stops along the southern border.
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    When Border Patrol stops you to question you about your citizenship while in the boundaries of the United States, do not answer any questions and cite the 4th and 5th A. You should be fine.

    If you are outside the boundaries of the United States and attempt to enter the US, provide necessary documentation of citizenship and you should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippy View Post
    When Border Patrol stops you to question you about your citizenship while in the boundaries of the United States, do not answer any questions and cite the 4th and 5th A. You should be fine..........
    Operative word there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traxxas View Post
    So you don't agree with a SCOTUS approved legal Terry Stop? Funny how over 70% of the US population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Please don't link to the idiot preacher who lost his court case against the federal government regarding his 4A rights and Terry Stops along the southern border.
    There's plenty of similar cases to his. And stopping at a BP checkpoint isn't a terry stop. Asking about one's citizenship is not the same as physically frisking them for weapons.

    ETA: And while 70% of the population live within that 100-mile zone, probably 98% of the population doesn't know what rights and liberties truly are.
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    From the ACLU

    CBP at Immigration Checkpoints

    CBP operates immigration checkpoints along the interior of the United States at both major roads — permanent checkpoints — and secondary roads — “tactical checkpoints”— as part of its enforcement strategy. Depending on the checkpoint, there may be cameras installed throughout and leading up to the checkpoint and drug-sniffing dogs stationed with the agents. At these checkpoints, every motorist is stopped and asked about their immigration status. Agents do not need any suspicion to stop you and ask you questions at a lawful checkpoint, but their questions should be brief and related to verifying immigration status. They can also visually inspect your vehicle. Some motorists will be sent to secondary inspection areas at the checkpoint for further questioning. This should be done only to ask limited and routine questions about immigration status that cannot be asked of every motorist in heavy traffic. If you find yourself at an immigration checkpoint while you are driving, never flee from it — it’s a felony.

    As before, when you are at a checkpoint, you can remain silent, inform the agent that you decline to answer their questions or tell the agent you will only answer questions in the presence of an attorney. Refusing to answer the agent’s question will likely result in being further detained for questioning, being referred to secondary inspection, or both. If an agent extends the stop to ask questions unrelated to immigration enforcement or extends the stop for a prolonged period to ask about immigration status, the agent needs at least reasonable suspicion that you committed an immigration offense or violated federal law for their actions to be lawful. If you are held at the checkpoint for more than brief questioning, you can ask the agent if you are free to leave. If they say no, they need reasonable suspicion to continue holding you. You can ask an agent for their basis for reasonable suspicion, and they should tell you. If an agent arrests you, detains you for a protracted period or searches your belongings or the spaces of your vehicle that are not in plain view of the officer, the agent needs probable cause that you committed an immigration offense or that you violated federal law. You can ask the agent to tell you their basis for probable cause. They should inform you.

    CBP Roving Patrols

    CBP conducts yet another interior enforcement activity: roving patrols. During these patrols, CBP drives around the interior of the U.S. pulling motorists over. For these operations, the Supreme Court requires CBP to have reasonable suspicion that the driver or passengers in the car they pulled over committed an immigration violation or a federal crime. If they do pull you over, an agent’s questions should be limited to the suspicion they had for pulling you over and the agents should not prolong the stop for questioning unrelated to the purpose of the stop. Any arrest or prolonged stop requires probable cause. You may ask the agent their basis for probable cause, and they should tell you. In this situation, both the driver and any passengers have the right to remain silent and not answer questions about their immigration status.

    Encounters with CBP, or any law enforcement agent, can be intimidating and scary. It is always best to stay calm and be courteous when dealing with immigration officials. If you believe your rights have been violated, you should contact an attorney.
    What rights and/or liberties do citizens lose by either immigration laws or a border wall being built?
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    Better than a wall enforce the immigration laws we have. None of this let the criminals out to roam at will. Lock them up until deported.

    Sanctuary cities? If they are flaunting Federal law, lock them up, same with states who refuse to turn over these criminals. Employers who hire them? Forfit their businesses and lock them up.

    If this was done the problem would go away quickly, and would not need any new BS "liberal/RINO compromise laws".
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