This is a discussion on Rights and Liberties within the General Talk forums, part of the General Discussion category; Originally Posted by Back Pack Hack There's plenty of similar cases to his. And stopping at a BP checkpoint isn't a terry stop. Asking about ...
I agree, asking one's citizenship is not the same as physically checking them for weapons.
Rights are limiting by their very nature, you simply have the right to travel. Liberties/freedoms are not being impinged via an immigration checkpoint. Freedom of movement is limited by the right to travel. I'd bet an overwhelming majority of people know what their rights and liberties are.
Last edited by Traxxas; 12-30-2018 at 05:03 PM.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...VCia_a5ZZntenjBrief investigatory detentions during which an individual is not free to leave—frequently called
“Terry” stops—constitute seizures subject to the Fourth Amendment’s reasonableness
requirements.21 Based on reasonable suspicion of unlawful presence, a Border Patrol agent may
briefly detain an individual for questioning.22 Information obtained through such questioning
may provide a basis for more prolonged detention, a vehicle search, or the subsequent arrest of a
noncitizen, all of which normally require consent or probable cause.23 However, an individual’s
refusal to respond to questions during a Terry stop does not provide probable cause to arrest.24
Last edited by Traxxas; 12-30-2018 at 04:12 PM.
Yes, I agree they have the right to ask the question. But if I refuse to answer, I am automatically deemed a criminal. Sent to secondary, dogs sniff the car (and we all know 'false hits' are a thing), I'm threatened with violence against my person, I'm threatened with arrest, forcibly held for hours............
Ever notice what happens when the stop sticks get thrown next to the tires of a true patriot at a checkpoint? All the other traffic gets waved through. Fook... if I wanted to bring in a truckload of illegals, that's all I'd need to do: Send a car in ahead of me and in they go.
Personally, I'd love to see about 100 real Americans line up and all refuse to answer. It would clog 'em up for days.
No.......... I do not agree with it. You might, but that's your right. But don't demand I give up mine because you want to give up yours.
Last edited by Back Pack Hack; 12-30-2018 at 04:17 PM.
I' haven't demanded anything of you, you have the right to do as you wish if stopped at an immigration checkpoint. Disclaimer: "your results may vary."
You still haven't shown you have lost any right from the stop or immigration law or from a fence/wall being put into place.
Last edited by Traxxas; 12-30-2018 at 04:25 PM.
When I refuse to answer, the BP agent should just let me go. I am under no legal obligation to answer at all. I have a 5A right to remain silent. If I refuse to answer, I'm sent to secondary or the stop sticks come out. Now I'm being detained absent suspicion of a crime. The longer I exercise my rights, the longer I'm unlawfully detained.
If I continue to exercise my 5A right, CBP can (they have, you know) escalate it to property damage (smashing my windows), assault (forcibly removing me from my vehicle), kidnapping (forcibly dragging me inside)...............
No. I do not agree with it. And yes, I AM losing my rights.
Again, you claiming you are losing/have lost your rights doesn't show that you have.
INA 287(a)(3) https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/...-0-0-9505.html
Last edited by Traxxas; 12-30-2018 at 05:06 PM.
correct - too many illegals attacking US citizens on US soil - closer you get to the border the more embodied they are >>>> your fantasy is an argument for the Wall ....
if your fantasy was true >>>> how is sooooooooo many US citizen patriots sitting right on the border assisting these phantom boogie men stopping illegals breaking our Country's laws?
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