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A Solution for the Cities in SHTF?

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    A Solution for the Cities in SHTF?

    In dense population areas, from cities to suburbs, (where 100 or more people live within every 100 square yards), SHTF communities will look and work very differently from sparsely populated SHTF communities.

    Living in close proximity to many strangers is often viewed as a disadvantage during a WROL situation. –But what if it could be turned into an advantage?

    Most people in densely populated areas wouldn’t have the capability to move to a better location during SHTF. Where could they go that would offer food, water, shelter, and protection? There aren’t enough FEMA camps or supplies in them to accommodate everyone. They’re stuck where they are.

    Yet, in SHTF, they’ll want to survive and for their children to survive. They’ll want food and water, health services, protection from marauders, etc. The only way that gives them a chance of getting these things is to band together and help each other.

    When the Soviet Union fell, and ceased supplying Cuba with foreign aid, Cuba went through an SHTF situation. People began starving, especially in the cities. Crime became rampant, as people tried to find some way to feed themselves and their families, –similar to what is happening in Venezuela today. They understood that if they did not work together, they could not survive. Eventually, neighborhoods formed small communities to provide services for their own group, growing food wherever possible, fighting off bandits, providing natural health care, etc.
    In Cuba, those who did not contribute to the effort were not given services, and criminals were forced out of their communities.

    I know most of you think that the solution Cuba found would not happen here. I don’t want to hear why it wouldn’t work; (I can think of a lot of reasons myself). I want to hear how you would make it work if you were stuck in it.
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    You have a very interesting view of what happened in Cuba. Of course it is a fairy tale but would make a fiction great movie.
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    That's great. Then the country will be a lot less crowded and safer for me.
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    Ah Cuba! The poster child of communist shithole countries who were successful? That Cuba?

    But to the OP's point; Shit Has Been Hitting The Fan in high populated areas since the beginning of high populated areas. Many live, many die. Some move some don't.

    I have 2 homes, Slippy Lodge is in a small town of less than 1600 people about 40 miles from a large shithole city.

    Slippy's Place on the River Near the Lake is in a larger town of approx 5000 people about 50 miles from a large shithole city.

    I'll take my chances in both places but Slippy Lodge is my Alamo; Stocked and Stacked, Locked and Cocked and Ready to Rock much more than the Place on The River Near The Lake...

    Just gotta get there

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    I do not see people banding together successfully in places like Newark, Detroit and other bastions of liberalism. I predict they will eat each other.
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    I've been thinking about this for a few weeks now. I'd prefer to leave the city but that might not be possible.

    In my apartment building there are 16 units, 4 on each floor. On the property there are 12 buildings. I know the others on my floor and 3 of the other unit occupants in the building . I'm working on getting acquainted with the rest of the people in my building.

    If people know each other, even just a little, they are far less likely to turn on each other.

    Plus, it's much easier to get into the secured building when I forget my keys if I can just ring my neighbour and they actually know who I am.

    Raise the limits.

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    Castro used his military to transport and protect drugs. He rented out his terrorist to others to kill. He enslaved Cuba. Killed anyone that he did not like. Cuba is not the wonderful place liberal would like to sell you on. Lager number of women forced into prostitution to get by. Many died trying to escape Cuba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGus View Post
    ... Eventually, neighborhoods formed small communities to provide services for their own group, growing food wherever possible, fighting off bandits, providing natural health care, etc...
    If that ^^ part of your quote is the starting point of the OP... a lot will depend on how far out that "Eventually" is. I hesitate to engage here, but I will if you flesh out the parameters of the scenario in your head a bit.

    For example...did someone in your neighborhood stock seeds etc? Did someone have the foresight to have a water source available? What kind of community organization will there be? I'd imagine a communist/socialist style would be needed initially - to manage/control what little resources there might be on hand. This isn't like the old days - where folks had the knowledge of how to do things manually (i.e. without power) even if the tools were at hand... so what are the starting points of what you have in mind for this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainGirl View Post
    If that ^^ part of your quote is the starting point of the OP... a lot will depend on how far out that "Eventually" is. I hesitate to engage here, but I will if you flesh out the parameters of the scenario in your head a bit.

    For example...did someone in your neighborhood stock seeds etc? Did someone have the foresight to have a water source available? What kind of community organization will there be? I'd imagine a communist/socialist style would be needed initially - to manage/control what little resources there might be on hand. This isn't like the old days - where folks had the knowledge of how to do things manually (i.e. without power) even if the tools were at hand... so what are the starting points of what you have in mind for this thread?
    My fault perhaps in not asking a clear question, (Actually it was intentional to allow all kinds of answers. However, I'm primarily asking what could be realistically done during SHTF for city or suburban neighborhoods to become self-sufficient and free enough of marauders to securely do what they need for themselves.

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    I agree with those who observed that Cuba has a far-from-perfect society and government. However, I believe the neighborhoods did accomplish something significant by taking matters more into their own hands, instead of relying on their government to provide for them during this crisis.

    I'd like to share some of my ideas about how I think densely populated neighborhoods can survive during SHTF. (When I say this, I don't mean that everyone will survive. Nor am I talking about currently crime-ridden neighborhoods either. I'm talking about normal middle-class bedroom-community neighborhoods.).

    When SHTF hits these communities, average people are going to feel very insecure, -scared of not having enough provisions, and scared of violent activity. They'll rather join a group that seems to have a good plan than trying to go it alone. If it becomes obvious that the government is not coming to their aid, groups will spontaneously form. People selfishly feel more secure in groups, with shared responsibilities and also providing defense in numbers. That's why we refer to them as having a herd mentality.

    Of course, human nature being what it is, many of these groups will initially be badly formed and unable to achieve their goals, but over time, they will improve. -Because they have to, ..or die. So the challenge for the prepared sheepdog is not to create groups, but rather to suggest better ways of organizing themselves, working productively, procuring necessities, learning survival skills, defending their community, etc. The survivalist sheepdog is the on-site specialist in these areas, and what he or she suggests should be ideas people/groups can understand and adopt. He's not always right; he's not a dictator; he's an important resource to the group.

    I'd rather have delegated committees providing services to my family, (like getting gathering food, water, and wood) than having each family do everything for themselves. I'd rather have 100 trained and armed defenders answering a marauder attack on my house within minutes, than a few neighbors showing up from far away too late to help. I'd rather live close to many people in the right kind of community than far out from any neighbors. The only thing I'd prefer more would be to live so far into the woods that few people would ever find me, -but that's not possible or feasible for even most preppers.
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