This is a discussion on If the shit hits the fan how long will it be before people band together and form set within the General Prepper and Survival Talk forums, part of the Survivalist, Prepper, Bushcrafter, Forest Rangers category; Originally Posted by Prepared One I don't see as rosy a picture as some here. War? Maybe so. Terror attacks? Most assuredly. Economic collapse? Likely. ...
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Well not to ruin anyone's fantasy of being the lone wanderer but ten or twenty years post shtf most people will have either figured out how to survive or died off. And people are pack animals. They will band together. They'll eventually figure out farming and once they do they will begin to rebuild a sort of society. All human expansion was based on the food supply. Once there is a more or less steady supply of food people will began to migrate and spread. Not saying it will happen in our lifetimes but it will happen.
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Nowadays, our society's complete dependence on the computer has only made us more vulnerable to such an EMP attack, or like stated a similar solar event. When our own government states 90% would die, that ought to tell you something about how vulnerable we are to just such a few weapons. But that is not the only change because the weapons themselves have changed. Now we have super EMP weapons that are designed not for blast damage but to generate EMP and they can make a whole lot more. One of the last North Korean underground detonations was considered a failure because it was not as large an explosion as expected. However, if they were testing an EMP device, that would be the expected result.
Times change & the military always has to adjust to the new world... to new technology & new strategy. The next war will not be fought like WWII. The nuclear exchange we planned for back in the 60s, 70s & 80s is still possible but no longer necessary. That is what I mean by old school.
If we conduct a preemptive strike on North Korea, be it nuclear or not, do you think they would hesitate to retaliate... if possible? Can we stop their cyber units from unleashing an attack? I sure hope so. Does one of their satellites orbiting over the US has an EMP weapon in it? If so, I assume we have plans to stop or destroy it. Problem is, if we are not 100% things could quickly go very bad. If ISIS gets a dirty bomb or pays to get access to our grid, you think a massive nuclear attack on them would keep them from using their weapons? Where do you want us to target? What about the fallout impacting us & our allies?
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But you are quite correct on how the MAJORITY of Americans have become dependent upon electricity and modern inventions. Those will be dead in the first few months. The cities will become hells of putrefying, stinking flesh.
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As an earthquake , blizzard, forest fire , tornado is happening people help when where they can as it is ongoing. After the immediate danger is passed people will travel to your area to help their friends and others. Tornado did damage near Kansas City 3 weekends ago and for several days after and for every weekend after individuals have volunteered to help cleanup debris and repair roofs.
Electrical grid down many folks will initially help out each other assuming it will just be a day or two . Weeks into it especially if it is much of the country things will change.
For a longer term power outage, nuclear war, conventional war or economic collapse many small communities / neighborhoods will try and pull together to help each other out it is what humans have done for thousands of years in small family/ tribes / nation states . It is what they will do again it may or may not work just saying that is what they will do as it is human nature. Read all the fantasy books about end of the world as we know it and there is always a group of bad guys. You defeat a group of bad guys with a group of good guys.
Starts with one neighbor checking on anther and grows from there. Just in America you see since before we were a nation a home guard/ militia / posse structure that is stil in place in many areas of the country. No reason not to think this will not continue. Volunteer fire departments and ambulance companies will do what they can and then take on more recruits as the crises goes on in many areas of the country. Most people will pitch in were and when they can.
Should contact by normal phone, satellite phone , internet , radio be down to the rest of the country - no National or State government still functioning then folks will start picking themselves and families up then reaching out and working with neighbors to help each other out. If the existing town , township , county government is not functioning then they will reestablish it.
After Katrina there were horrible events - there were also many bass fisherman from northern Louisiana or from East Texas that took their private boats down and pulled people from roofs. It was not a coordinated effort , was not pretty or official but those guys saved lives. For all the talk about New Orleans you do not hear much about the rest of the effected area where a lot of people helped each other out. Many homes were rebuilt by folks going down for a week or two and helping out. I took a camper down to a family to use prior to FEMA getting anything moved to the area . Spent a couple days getting small water system set up for a neighborhood and working on some roof repairs. They did not sit around and wait for the government to do anything they started where they could and worked from where they where.
There are many faith based disaster relief groups, Red Cross and veterans groups if anyone is interested in that type of prepping and helping others communities out.
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I figure as long as it isn't an EMP type event where all cars newer than the 1970's flat out die, you have 3 days TOPS to get to wherever it is you are going.
If you choose to shelter in place, then you have 3 days max to get ready to defend your island.
If you choose to bug out, you have 3 days max to get to where you are going and get set up.
Any significant disruption that is on a national scale will turn ugly FAST... much faster than most would think.
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