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    First day, big question

    So, I'm thinking of starting to prep. But I have a big question.

    I am having a hard time rationalizing or conceptualizing why people prep in the first place. I guess what I'm having trouble with is the long-term.

    What are you prepping for? I see a lot of people/videos etc with 72 hour BOB's. What scenario(s) are people prepping for? I know that everyone will have a slightly different answer, but can I get some concrete examples? For example, let's say someone who is a really advanced prepper has a BOB, and even has a cabin in the woods somewhere stocked with tons of food/ammo etc. If another country attacks and there's troops going door to door killing everyone, does this advanced prepper plan on shooting his way out of the town and making it to his cabin? And then what, live there forever? Why is it 72 hours? What happens after the 72 hours?

    I guess that if there was a hurricane like Katrina, it would be wonderful to have 72 hours worth of stuff, but what do you do then?

    And what about someone like me, who goes to work a few miles away, never goes hiking/camping type things. What types of things should I be prepping for? I don't live in a big city where there might be a terrorist attack, chemical attack. I don't see a natural disaster of epic proportions happening. We did have a tornado, but even if the whole town disappeared I could just go to the next town.

    My first thing I'm doing is putting some stuff in my car, should it break down and my phone isn't charged. Water, energy bar, rain jacket, blankets/winter stuff. But that's all I can think of needing.

    Now I'm rambling... Does any of this make sense?

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    Really it's going to depend on you and where you live. If your area is prone to long term power outages (5+ days) or severe weather you would prep for those emergencies first. If you're not concerned about the economy collapsing or some other man made event then there is no reason for you to prep for them. Me personally after having some major weather events hit the area in the last few years this is my primary concern. I don't really consider myself a prepper yet since I'm still in the information gathering stages, I have a few things set aside and we generally keep enough food on hand so that we only have to shop every 2 weeks. I think your off to a good start with putting some general survival items in your car so you already see a need for some prepping, how involved you get in it is really up to you.

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    If you look at it historically it become clear that your chances of being in a SHTF situation is very high. Just keep going back by generations no matter what country you live in. My generation hasn't seen any big event here in the USA but my father lived through WW-2 and his father WW-1 and the great depression and his father the civil war. Maybe two more generations and it was the American Revolution. And this is just the USA almost any other country if you start going back by generations you would see even greater disasters. Take Europe just go back a couple of generation and you could be in the death camps, WW-2 mass bombing, WW-1 which was much worse in Europe and the 1918 Flu Pandemic. I C/P the following ( The influenza or flu pandemic of 1918 to 1919, the deadliest in modern history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide--about one-third of the planet’s population at the time--and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims. More than 25 percent of the U.S. population became sick, and some 675,000 Americans died during the pandemic.) Go back a little farther in Europe and you are at the black plague C/P the following (In Medieval England, the Black Death was to kill 1.5 million people out of an estimated total of 4 million people between 1348 and1350). What would happen if 40% of everyone over here died and how many must have been near death now I would call that a teotwawki situation instead of a SHTF event. That was 660 years ago so if you go back 1000 years and each generation being 40 years that one incident alone would be a 1 in 25 chance. You would have almost a 50% chance that you would be in the dark ages.

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    Ok, ill try to answer these 1 by 1.

    From what my understanding and perception of things is, the 72 hour BOB (or any BOB, for that matter) isn't something you live off of. Its just enough to keep your safe and healthy while you move from one location to the next. So they aren't so much designed for a specific disaster or scenario so much as they are designed to get you to a location where you will be safe from a specific scenario.

    For example, let's say someone who is a really advanced prepper has a BOB, and even has a cabin in the woods somewhere stocked with tons of food/ammo etc. If another country attacks and there's troops going door to door killing everyone, does this advanced prepper plan on shooting his way out of the town and making it to his cabin? And then what, live there forever? Why is it 72 hours? What happens after the 72 hours?
    If another country attacks our country, there will be resistance from the general populace like no other. Most everyone who honestly feels they will not be safe unless they "Bug out" will fight to the last bullet. So, shooting our way out of town? Yes, if the situation calls for it.

    The 72 hour limit, in my personal opinion, represents how long it should take to get from your present location to your destination while carrying a reasonable amount of food, water, and equipment while on foot. Anything more than this would probably weigh you done more than it would be worth. If the human body could realistically carry more food without penalty, 72 hours would probably be 96 hours. or more.

    I guess that if there was a hurricane like Katrina, it would be wonderful to have 72 hours worth of stuff, but what do you do then?
    Your would hopefully be at a safe destination at this point. remember, any BOB (or INCH, or get home bag, ect.) is designed for use while your on the move. You cannot think that you will be able to keep all the things you would need to survive for any considerable length of time in a backpack. You need a house, trailer, vehicle, something relatively large to store things in. And forget about hunting and fishing to sustain yourself- if theres a true SHTF situation, everyone and their mother will be trying to do the same thing, and it will become slim picking very quickly.

    And what about someone like me, who goes to work a few miles away, never goes hiking/camping type things. What types of things should I be prepping for? I don't live in a big city where there might be a terrorist attack, chemical attack. I don't see a natural disaster of epic proportions happening. We did have a tornado, but even if the whole town disappeared I could just go to the next town.
    Expect the worst, hope for the best. And its the fact that you may not see a major SHTF event coming that could kill you. Thats the thing about prepping- you're preparing for anything to happen, at any time.


    I understand your confusion, but if you keep asking questions like you have, you'll probably get any misconceptions ect. cleared up in no time. You just need to be willing to to learn.
    Don't do what looks nice. Do what works.

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    The 72 hour Bug out Bag probably is somewhat of a government ideal. Emergency Information Center Many government agencies and the red cross says everyone should have a 72 hour kit because that is how long it sometime takes to get government assistance. But if you are prepping look at your own situation and decide for yourself what is best.
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    In my opinion, a 72 hour bag is more or less for natural disasters where you have to evacuate but can't depend on FEMA to feed you right away.

    I am not a "bug out to the woods" kind of guy, but I think a lot of preppers just want to be able to lay low if some widespread event (natural - like an EMP, or man made - like riots and looting because food stamps are cut off) takes place. I think the assumption here would be that some sort of order would be restored in 2 or 3 months. The US was hit by a large EMP in the 1800's and will get hit again sooner or later, and food stamps almost were cut off with the recent government shutdown, so being ready for this type of event is reasonable.

    I'm in the process of buying a property in a low population density area that I think would be a lot more survivable in ANY kind of event, so I guess you could say I'm bugging out now. My basic idea is to more or less disconnect from the rat race, grow my own food, raise some chickens, and generally be almost totally self-sufficient. This will include making my own electricity and maybe making my own fuel too. Once in place, I will be ready for just about anything.

    If something happens in the meantime, I'll be thinking of being more of a ninja than a Rambo. "Shooting your way out" isn't really a viable option, in my opinion. I have guns and know how to use them, but that's an absolute last resort, and one I wouldn't expect to survive.

    I would rate the threats (within the next 20 years) as follows...

    Economic disaster (Great Depression) = 35%
    Major civil unrest/civil war = 20%
    Major EMP (natural or nuclear) = 15%
    Widespread pandemic (natural or man-made) = 10%
    Major volcanic eruption/asteroid strike causing a "nuclear winter" = 5%
    Invasion/war on US soil = 5%
    Other events = 5%
    Zombies, Aliens, Gamora/Godzilla/Creature from the Black Lagoon/the Blob = Yer freaking kidding me, right?

    Localized natural disaster that knocks out power for 2 or 3 weeks = 85%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prepadoodle View Post
    In my opinion, a 72 hour bag is more or less for natural disasters where you have to evacuate but can't depend on FEMA to feed you right away.

    I am not a "bug out to the woods" kind of guy, but I think a lot of preppers just want to be able to lay low if some widespread event (natural - like an EMP, or man made - like riots and looting because food stamps are cut off) takes place. I think the assumption here would be that some sort of order would be restored in 2 or 3 months. The US was hit by a large EMP in the 1800's and will get hit again sooner or later, and food stamps almost were cut off with the recent government shutdown, so being ready for this type of event is reasonable.

    I'm in the process of buying a property in a low population density area that I think would be a lot more survivable in ANY kind of event, so I guess you could say I'm bugging out now. My basic idea is to more or less disconnect from the rat race, grow my own food, raise some chickens, and generally be almost totally self-sufficient. This will include making my own electricity and maybe making my own fuel too. Once in place, I will be ready for just about anything.

    If something happens in the meantime, I'll be thinking of being more of a ninja than a Rambo. "Shooting your way out" isn't really a viable option, in my opinion. I have guns and know how to use them, but that's an absolute last resort, and one I wouldn't expect to survive.

    I would rate the threats (within the next 20 years) as follows...

    Economic disaster (Great Depression) = 35%
    Major civil unrest/civil war = 20%
    Major EMP (natural or nuclear) = 15%
    Widespread pandemic (natural or man-made) = 10%
    Major volcanic eruption/asteroid strike causing a "nuclear winter" = 5%
    Invasion/war on US soil = 5%
    Other events = 5%
    Zombies, Aliens, Gamora/Godzilla/Creature from the Black Lagoon/the Blob = Yer freaking kidding me, right?

    Localized natural disaster that knocks out power for 2 or 3 weeks = 85%
    Another possibility that I see that was never possible in history is a digital attack. Basically every bit of money in peoples savings, checking, 401k's, pensions, and anything else is in digital form. It is scary to think about. That is what is meant by fiat money they don't even have to print it just make up and move numbers around.

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    In my opinion the most effective preppers are those that approach prepping like a serious hobby. Their prepping is balanced unlike me with my too many guns and my silver coin collecting. They are well rounded preppers yet do not let it control normal living.

    I'd say the largest group prep for natural disasters. This group can last for about 72 hours mostly with comfort in mind. It is stretching it a bit to include them as preppers.

    I'm not the best person to take advice from but I do not think the serious peppers will disagree.
    1. Do not waste your money on a bunch of prepackaged kits. Making your own result in knowing best how your kit functions.
    2. If you cannot get to it then it is worthless. Usually your vehicle is where you are. Start there.

    If one of these guys disagrees listen to them.

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    Prepping, to me, is just an investment, I try to buy things I already use, or can use. You state your not into camping or hiking, but think of it as the essentials first. Water, Shelter, food, and ways of keeping those three things yours. Security.
    Now assume, even in city life,(I live the city life), that EVERYTHING for whatever reason goes blank. No water in the pipes, no electricty, no sewer, no grocery store, no natural gas. Clean drinking water, in the city, could be hard to find, especially if sanitaion stopped for some reason.
    Shelter-Living in the city, without police keeping animals in line, imagine how secure your home is? The police can barely keep the animals at bay right now. imagine no fear of police showing up if someone decided to take everything you have?
    Shelter to me also involves security, so for me its staying home with a gun close.
    Food- My pantry and freezer are stocked, my fridge is empty, I am at work way morethan Im home, so If i buy perishables(milk, bread, eggs), they sometimes go bad before I use them.
    In short, Im really not preparing for anything in perticular, just investing in things I will eventually use, and then restock.
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    I think everyone develops their own reasons for why they prep. For me, it started right after I had my first kid and learned about peak oil. I got very lax about it and recently started in again with worries about economic collapse and civil unrest. I want to know I can just lay low with my kids and hopefully keep them out of harm's way if things get bad.

    For reasons more people can relate to, think about winter storms, flash floods, wildfires or other natural disasters. We have all of those here but not tornadoes or hurricanes. My knowledge is limited, but I think a large portion of the US has earthquake risk. Any of these things can cause supply lines to break down, power to fail or other issues that disrupt our regular way of life.

    A few years ago, not long after I started prepping the first time, my husband was laid off. We were trying to live on $500/mo income. Our preps were very, very welcome then.

    Prepping can be a really great hobby AND a hedge against inflation. If you start with things, such as food and general consumables, that you know you will eventually use, you're not hurting anything to stock up. As prices increase, food on hand can be a better investment than a basic savings account. If nothing bad ever does happen, you've done nothing but save yourself some cash and get some extras on hand to allow you to shop less.

    And welcome to the forum!

 

 
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