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Growing Your Own Apples
This is a discussion on Growing Your Own Apples within the Gardening forums, part of the Survival Food Procurement category; You know, there are some things preppers can do to really increase their odds of survival during a SHTF crisis. Of course, we can store ...
Growing Your Own Apples
You know, there are some things preppers can do to really increase their odds of survival during a SHTF crisis. Of course, we can store lots of food but that is generally only for the short term. So when one goes beyond eating stores, that means gardening & growing your own food. I like food that comes back every year, all by itself. In the garden, for me that is limited to asparagus but in my orchard I have much more variety. I have over 150 apple trees, peach trees, persimmon, pear, pecan plus lots of blueberries & blackberries. So lets talk apples.
Apples have always been a mainstay with homesteaders. Almost every farm had their own apples no matter what part of the country you lived in. Many folks nowadays think apples are for eating but in the past, their primary use was for pressing cider for drink & for converting to vinegar. Even the deep south, where I live, had many hundreds of varieties that worked well for each specific location. With apples, the only way to propagate a variety is by grafting. If you plant the seed from some apple you like, you will not get that variety but probably some inedible crabapple.
With the advent of better transportation and refrigerator, many of the old, local apple varieties have disappeared forever. Thankfully a few folks have realized what we were losing and have started saving these old varieties and selling them online. Saving this genetic heritage is critical because apples are fickle & very prone to disease. They are actually a rose & if you have ever grown old roses, you know what I mean. Thru many years of luck, trial & error, our forefathers found varieties that would thrive in their locale. You see, a variety that grows well in Michigan could do horribly in Virginia. A variety that does well in the mountains of North Carolina could do horribly in the coastal plain 200 miles away.
There is very little info on growing apples in Mississippi and from experience, I've learned much of it is wrong... or at least wrong for my specific growing conditions. I started out with twenty something varieties and am in the process of removing varieties that cause me issues. I've found some that do incredibly well... and some that do horribly. It would do no good to list my experience because that data is only of use to someone living close to me. Every locale is different. My point is, if you wish to grow apples, do your research & do tests. Cool thing is, if a variety is a failure you haven't lost those years. You can graft that old tree into a completely different variety and because the root system is mature, it will be producing again in a couple of years.
I highly recommend folks grow their own fruit, nuts & berries. Even if you have a bugout location, plant some there. Live in a subdivision, plant something you can eat. Don't plant an oak or some ornamental tree... plant a pecan or a pear. Want some nice bushes as a screen... plant blueberries.
I planted a variety of fruit trees. About half made it. Pears did best then apples. Mulberry did well. The plums and cherries took a beating. Peaches and apricots were completely shut out. Black walnuts and hazel nuts did well. The almonds caught a diseas and died. I planted many different varieties to see what would or would not grow.
Last edited by Camel923; 05-23-2017 at 01:00 PM.
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Good advice . Besides eating you can make cider, wine and hard cider. Years ago cider and hard cider was a major commodity . I dry a lot of apples for chips , once dried and some sugar/ cinnamon on them they keep for me at least 6 months at room temp in a plastic bag.
Freeze dried and canned foods are great to a point then you have to have fresh fruit and vegetables for long term survival. Eating the same foods over and over again gets very boring especially now that we are so used to a variety of foods.
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Yep, and the results can vary depending on the year. We had a warm spring here that got everything blooming early & then of course... a frost. I try to mix varieties with different bloom times so that such a frost doesn't take out a whole crop for the year. Also production fruit trees aren't like beautiful ornamental varieties, in that production trees bloom a little over a long time period as opposed to all at once and being showy. So with that frost, some of my trees lost most of their fruit but even then, since they bloom over a long period, even those varieties set some fruit.
Originally Posted by Camel923
Yep, I have grinders and a cider press. I HIGHLY recommend CiderDays in Massachusetts. It is an incredible learning experience on apples & cider with all sorts of tastings, lectures, demonstrations & tours of local orchards & cider operations. Home - CiderDays - Franklin County, Massachusetts
Originally Posted by RJAMES
Intersting thing about cider is, up north, it was mainly made for drinking. Down south, with our warmer weather, we mainly used it for making apple cider vinegar. Up north, folks can store food in cellars but down here we really can't... so in the past we used the vinegar to preserve food. As my orchard matures and I get my varieties straightened out, I plan on selling homemade, natural apple cider vinegar during my retirement. Of course, during a crisis, it would be used as in the past.
Theres apple trees all around my neighborhood, and a few starving horses and cows.
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I've planted peach, apple and cherry trees in my yard and have had luck with the apples and cherries but for some reason the peaches are not doing well. I tried blueberries but they died after one harvest...I agree with you about having fruit and nut trees on your property and I will continue to work on mine.
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I think the worst mistake many make is they just pick up the trees at the local hardware store. Problem is, they haven't chosen the varieties best for that area but just sell what is given to them. Peaches and apples are rather particular regarding chill hours for your location, which is a somewhat complicated measure of how cold it normally is in your area. Chill hours are roughly the number of hours between the temperatures of 32-45 degrees Fahrenheit. Winter hours above 60 degrees are subtracted from the totals. It is not a measure of how cold it gets as if you notice on the map, in north Mississippi I have as much or more chill hours than say North Dakota. Another factor is pollination. Almost all apples don't self-pollinate... they require a totally different variety. So if you buy 3 of the same apple trees at the store, you will not get good fruit set. And if you get separate varieties, you need to ensure they bloom at the same time.
Originally Posted by redhawk
I never buy my fruit trees locally but do so online. I strongly suggest going online & reading articles from your local agricultural college. They can tell you the chill hours for your area and may can help with variety selection.
Last edited by Redneck; 05-24-2017 at 07:46 AM.
Originally Posted by Redneck
Kinda makes my 30 fruit trees look ... puny
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