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This is a discussion on No power, which foods still edible within the Food, Health and Fitness Survival forums, part of the Survivalist, Prepper, Bushcrafter, Forest Rangers category; Originally Posted by TexDanm Howdy and boy do I have a lot to tell you. Cooked food is important because many foods left uncooked are ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexDanm View Post
    Howdy and boy do I have a lot to tell you. Cooked food is important because many foods left uncooked are almost impossible to digest. Beans and Rice fall in this area. Frozen food are fine as long as the temperatures that they are stored at stays below 40 degrees Farinheight. Even if they thaw it doesn't matter as long as they are cool. Bacteria don't grow when the temperatures are below 40. I worked in restaurants for many years and in the foodservice industry before that. One reason that cheap restaurant food often seems to lack the robust flavor of home cooking or that of the better restaurants is that their food is often thawed and refrozen several times at least partially thawed. the taste suffers and there will be a slight reduction in the nutritional value but it is nonetheless "safe" to eat.

    If the power in off leave your freezer closed and it will be fine for several days at least. You HAVE to leave it closed though. Chest type freezers are better than uprights when the power goes off because cold air is heavier than warm air and so you can gently open one and not lose all of your cold air. In Grocery stores you have open top freezer bins but upright ones have to have doors.

    Canned foods are generally cooked and can be eaten as is right out of the can but generally taste better if warmed up and cooked a little bit. Tunafish is eatable right out of the can as are sardines and most other canned meats like ham and beef. Dry rice and beans are the best for the dollar survival foods if you don't want to spend a huge amount of money. They will keep for YEARS AN YEARS and when cooked and served together offer a complete protean. I also like cans of ham that I can add to the beans and rice for flavor.

    It doesn't matter how much food that you have or have access to if you don't have a way to cook it. You also need can openers. I carry a P-38 on all of my keyrings. When it comes to the NECESSITIES I use the rule of three. One is none, two is some and three MIGHT be enough. I went WAY past three when it comes to ways to cook. For short term lights out type things I like a propane camping stove and have them in sizes from tiny to three burners. I also like to BBQ and have a big propane grill with a burner on the side. That is what I usually use when the power is out.

    For more SERIOUS survival preparations You need to go with wood-burning stoves as much as possible. Any fuel that you have to buy is going to disappear FAST and then is not replaceable. For cooking in a pot, the rocket stove is the BEST. It burns almost completely and one generating it releases almost no smoke. It burns it! I have several but by far the one that I like best is an Eco zoom. The all-metal ones get HOT and will burn you is you touch them. Also, they are losing a lot of the heat. An Eco zoom is lined and insulated and you can cook a meal with a small handful of sticks. It is slightly bulkier than the metal rocket stoves but is usually slightly lighter. Another thing worth having is a large meat smoker. Mine will smoke 150 pounds of meat and has grates and sausage racks. It has a big firebox on the side that can also be used as a grill. If you kill a dear during the summer you need to be ready to smoke it immediately unless you are feeding 50 people.

    This is the one that I have and have been super happy with it.

    https://ecozoom.com/collections/rocket-stoves

    Learn how to cook outdoors. It is fun and my WIFE LOVES it when I cook outside. I use the rocket stove for crawfish boils and it has no problem beinging 10 gallons of water to a rolling boil. this is also something to think about when the water from the taps stops flowing. I cook breakfast on it and make a lot of things that you can cook on high heat. It gets a little tedious trying to simmer things on a low heat. its a ROCKET STOVE and not a slow cooker.

    When you are cooking for survival with limited resources do not cook meat on a grill over a fire. the fat melts and is lost and that is a huge part of your calories and nutrition. Sear it in a pot and then turn it into a soup, a stew or smother it. That way you get all of the value from it. If you are bugging in I recommend that you gather up a set of cast iron cookware. You can get it cheap at a lot of places used and then recondition it and season it yourself. I am using a skillet that belonged to my great grandmother. It is well over a hundred years old and is BETTER than the day it was first bought. As they season they become better and better. Nearly all of my cast iron has come down the line to me and is all in perfect condition. I even have a little three-legged pot that my Great-Great-Great had with him at Gettysburg. It still works fine though the legs are not as long as they once were.

    If you are going to bug out you will have to go for lighter weight stuff until you settle in a place. I know that aluminum is lighter but personally i think that stainless steel is worth the weight difference.

    For lights out, you might consider things like canned spaghetti and meatballs, beef stew, canned soups... Crackers keep pretty well and go with these pretty good. All that you need is a one-burner propane stove and you can feed yourself and family. I've had one like this for several decades with no problems.

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    All good advice @TexDanm .

    Most rocket stoves are sold out now but you can make one pretty easy. It won't be as durable or pretty but will work. The one @Redneck posted looks like beast! I might add a damper to it.

    Going to be hard to find now but Coleman stoves are great for bug out or bug in. Need fuel, so a multi fuel one is best. You might be able to retrofit a multi fuel generator to a white gas model, but time is running out to do that. Get an extra fuel pump. A good companion is their lantern, but I'd save the fuel for cooking.

    For backpacking or BO I have a MSR dragonfly. Light and will simmer or boil water fast. Will run white gas/unleaded or diesel/kero/jet fuel. Field serviceable and repair kit is tiny.
    Large and small fuel bottles. A 20 oz bottle of white gas/unleaded lasts me a week in the winter woods. Folds up to fit inside 2-L cook pot. Most of these are sold out right now.

    https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/liqui...fly/11774.html

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    Propane is more bulky and has less BTUs. Also gets to be useless when very cold. For bug in a good option though. If your stove at home is electric a counter top two burner propane stove is a great back up, but consider a big tank and long hose. I just found a commercial grade 4 burner on CL. That will be for canning outside in summer heat, but can double as a counter top too. I need to get a big tank.

    Concerning freezers a full one stays colder. If you have empty space fill it with clean water in 1/2-gal/2-L jugs/bottles. The ice will stay a long time when power goes out, and is clean cold water when it melts. Winter time here, a freezer in an unheated building will use almost no energy and take a long time to defrost.

    Since OP seems not prepared for cooking, how about drinking water when the tap goes dry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOCOM42 View Post
    What the hell rock have you and your friends been hiding under?????

    You cannot be that ignorant as not to know the preparation of these basic items, read the F'N labels.

    People with electric stoves are, politely, fools, without a non electric backup. No charcoal grill?

    Get yourself some canned spam and a forkl it will keep you going.

    You speak of preparedness, do you even know what it means other than having a case of TP and a bottle of PERRIE?

    I think you must be a troll with this claimed level of ignorance.

    We had a storm hit here Wed. put our power out for 11 hours,

    the only inconvenience was starting the genset to cool the freezers.

    We have also been without power for two weeks at a time, no problem there either.

    I have a gas fired kitchen stove that requires no electric to run, just a spark lighter to light.

    My wall heaters require none, also built in piezo.

    At this ignorance level, not to worry you will all be dead in two weeks.

    What are you going to do with powdered milk and eggs, eat them dry with a spoon?

    still need something to cook the eggs with, perhaps a nice bowl of Escargot to go with them?

    I cook rice and beans everyday of the week, sorry no filet mignon or t-bone, we bring rice to a boil ,

    then simmer till done, wait, you have nothing to cook with!

    I threw out the electric stove 55 years ago, installed 3 gensets a gas stove and two oil burners,

    two propane wall heater, and a wood stove.

    Always have 5 cord of wood on hand for the stove, no firepit in the yard either.

    I live in new england and it gets cold as hell here, you keep you upwardly mobile fancy hardware an suffer with it.

    Climb into your Mercedes and move to the Hamptons.

    The price of a pair of Jimmy Choos would get a real nice gas stove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back Pack Hack View Post
    Translation: "I hate greenhorns. Don't show up here until you have over 6 decades of prepping under your belt, then we'll talk."
    Apparently he has decided he is one-half of the Official Prepper Forums Welcoming Committee....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robie View Post
    Too late for re-evaluation.

    You are going to die.























































    Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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    no LP BBQ or charcoal grill? - usually someone in the housing complex has one for common use in an emergency - almost mandatory for US homeowners/renters to have one ....

    subject that comes up in this regard is long term cooking - in a serious SHTF with associated grid down >>> don't want to be ringing the dinner bell when the grocery is empty & looted - just moving the grill into the garage won't do much for covert cooking ...
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    If my electricity was going to be out for a while and I had no way of heating or cooking food (I simply can't imagine that happening to me but, I digress)...I would be making dinner reservations...going to the grocery store for cooked rotisserie chicken, buying foods that will keep...cans of tuna, canned meats, bread, donuts, etc, etc. Butter will keep un-refrigerated for quite a while. I'd go to a fast food joint and steal little packets of mayonnaise.

    I certainly wouldn't miss any meals and would actually probably gain weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back Pack Hack View Post
    Translation: "I hate greenhorns. Don't show up here until you have over 6 decades of prepping under your belt, then we'll talk."
    NOT true.

    When have you seen me not give solid advice, when needed???

    IMHO this person is a troll, or mommy does all the cooking.

    There is not one iota of prep referred to in the post

    IF the person is prepping at any level, how hell can they not know the answers to the questions they ask.

    Cook rice and beans???? my kid could do that at 11/12 years old.

    Oh, Yeah, it is 5+ decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOCOM42 View Post
    NOT true.

    When have you seen me not give solid advice, when needed???

    IMHO this person is a troll, or mommy does all the cooking.

    There is not one iota of prep referred to in the post

    IF the person is prepping at any level, how hell can they not know the answers to the questions they ask.

    Cook rice and beans???? my kid could do that at 11/12 years old.

    Oh, Yeah, it is 5+ decades.
    socom.. I think they are just messing with you...
    unfortunately teasing / sarcasm / ribbing doesnt translate as well in print as opposed to voice...
    you do give solid advice ... I appreciate it as do others...
    I also appreciate the humor mixed in too to many of the posters in this thread...
    takes away some of the seriousness of what we try learn here..

    picture the absolute worst case scenario... prepare for the absolute worst case scenario... have contingency plans ... have more contingency plans...
    try to take responsibility for our own destiny.... not rely on outside help... and try to leave as little to chance as possible...
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    SOCOM42, you hold nothing back. Ha, ha! I admire your honesty!
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