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This is a discussion on Wearing Masks During A Pandemic within the First Aid and Medical Preparedness forums, part of the Survivalist, Prepper, Bushcrafter, Forest Rangers category; Originally Posted by Kauboy Should you have masks? Yes, they have many benefits. Do they stop the SARS-COV2 virus? No, this virus is too small ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    Should you have masks? Yes, they have many benefits.
    Do they stop the SARS-COV2 virus? No, this virus is too small for almost any mask to filter it in aerosol form.

    There are numerous factors, aside from pore size, that contribute the failure of mask protection in use by the general public.
    Primarily, face/mask touching without washing your hands after.
    Secondly, no seal around the face.
    Thirdly, mask reuse with no sanitation.

    *IF* the mask is catching anything on either side of the membrane, and you touch that side, and don't wash your hands before touching ANYTHING ELSE, you're spreading or contracting it.
    Without following proper mask protocol, they are useless flaps of "better than thou".

    Even N95 effectiveness is largely overstated. They don't appear to offer any better protection from viral infection than a common surgical mask.
    This was shown in a study performed 11 years back on the flu, using medical professionals who were trained on the proper procedures for wearing masks. The study showed workers still got the flu, and at nearly identical rates between N95 and surgical mask wearers.
    Even the idea that "wearing a mask protects everyone around you" is being called into question: Can surgical masks protect you from getting the flu?
    Admittedly, that article from last year focuses a lot on bacterial spread, but the arguments would still hold true.

    If we ever see another real pandemic, the best course of action won't be masks. It will be staying home and washing your damn hands.
    What we're seeing now is all the people who don't want to stay home, and demand everyone around them wear a mask to "keep me safe from you" so they can feel comfortable while still getting infected.
    I wanted to comment earlier but couldn't quite put together what I wanted to say and wah-lah you have just done so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster23 View Post
    It all boils down to the size of the virus particles and the mesh size of your mask materials. The mesh has to be small enough to filter out the virus otherwise the mask ain’t doing squat. Then you have to properly wear the mask and most people are not properly trained in mask use. If you have a beard or facial hair no mask is going to help you.

    CDC reports out today state that surgical masks that everyone is wearing today are completely ineffective at filtering out aerosol virus particles. One study of new infections in July found that the majority of people infected ‘always’ or ‘mostly always’ wore a mask.
    This^^ read it folks! The CDC says mask are useless. Follow the science they say. Put and end to this mask nonsense now don't be a scared little sheep!

    They say covid numbers are up what more proof do you want that wearing stupid masks is doing nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawgrider View Post
    This^^ read it folks! The CDC says mask are useless. Follow the science they say. Put and end to this mask nonsense now don't be a scared little sheep!

    They say covid numbers are up what more proof do you want that wearing stupid masks is doing nothing!
    Covid numbers are up because we are testing huge numbers of people daily. More testing equals more positive tests. The MSM doesn’t tell you that most of these ‘positives’ are not displaying any symptoms and are not capable of infecting others. Hospitalizations are down. Actual covid deaths are down. Remember, if you die from a heart attack and an autopsy shows you had covid antibodies, then it is reported as a covid death.........totally bogus! This whole “daily report of covid deaths” is just plain total bullshit!

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    I wish I could find a mask worth a crap to keep dust and pollen out of my face when I bush hog...

    Until then, I have my sights set on an enclosed cab tractor. (Its only money, people! Can't take it with you, right?)

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    Back to @Redneck s question; Do I think storing N95 masks is something that I need to do to be prepared? Sure, why not. But to keep yourself safe from viruses, no, I don't beleive they do much to prevent one from getting a virus.

    I think that Vinnie Barbarino figured it out way back in the 70's. Stay in a plastic bubble if you don't want to catch anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck View Post
    You are missing my point. I'm asking if preppers today think n95 masks help stop the spread of a viral infection? PERIOD.

    I'm not talking about COVID 19 with its rather low fatality rate & all the politics associated with fighting that virus. Are n95 masks something preppers should stock?
    Virus? No, and that’s a confirmed fact.
    Bacterial threat? Yes, and that is a confirmed fact.

    Masks have a place in preps.
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    I work in a school and wear a mask all day. Buy a quality product and it's not a hardship. I also have half face respirators with P100 cartridges for the day something REALLY nasty comes. I've had N95's on hand for several years now and have also bolstered my supply of the 3 ply blue surgical masks.

    Sadly, I don't think it's possible for most to depoliticize masks in 2020. Too many emotions and not enough brain cells involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck View Post
    Can you please provide a link to a peer reviewed study that states n 95 masks don't stop one thing? Such info would be helpful. Most preppers, at least in the past, considered masks as a good tool to have.

    I'm curious why every healthcare professional wants or uses N 95 masks if they are as worthless as you state?
    I like the N95 mask and have used them for many years doing body work. They work great for filtering out dust particles from bondo and primer etc. Now would I bet my life on one filtering out a virus, NNOOO. If you think they are the best thing on the planet by all means stock up.

    My comment was intended for those POS cloth masks that all the sheep think work at all.

    They are called N95 because they only filter 95% of potential contaminants. Is 5% failure rate OK with you?? Just ask your friendly Goggle or whatever and read up on the issue.
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    The question is do you fear death....? If you think a mask will slow the spread, then by all means wear one...yet as for me,
    I will not wear one and I will not attempt to shame those who do....last I checked, for those in the US, we still live in a free
    Nation, for how long, that is yet to be determined...but if you read below, you will see the One who will make that determination.

    You will say this is not political, yet I say it is both political and religious, not mans religion, but the religion as spoken by the word of God.


    God unilaterally makes the rules for He is the Sovereign Judge of all the earth and His creation.

    Now let me ask this...Do you fear man....? do you fear death....? read on to know Whom to fear!

    Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge...

    do I fear what is happening, no not all, for I know it is the will of the Lord. The Lord is the One who is Sovereign and He is the One who brings about all things. The written word of God is His revealed will, yet He does have a secret will that we cannot know until things unfold and we see for our own eyes what God is doing...and yes this is of God, whether you want to accept that or not makes no difference to me.

    Can we use scripture to back up my claims...?

    lets start with 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.

    We are to learn from all scripture....now lets turn to the book of Acts and the book of Job:

    Acts 17:26 and He made from one man, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined [their] appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation.

    Job 12:23 "He makes the nations great, then destroys them; He enlarges the nations, then leads them away.

    Both these verse, from the OT and NT back up what each says...so we see we can learn from the OT and the NT alike...

    Are we something to God?...God needs nothing from us...for these words in Isaiah speaks this truth.

    Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, He taketh up the isles as a very little thing. And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering. All nations before Him are as nothing ; and they are counted to Him less than nothing, and vanity. To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto Him? (Isa 40:15-18).

    How vastly different is the God of Scripture from the “god” of the average pulpit preached today!

    The preachers of today are modern day Pharisees, they fill your ears with lies and tell you how good you are to keep the dollars following in to pay the big bills they have accumulated.

    leave the 501c3 church building and see for yourself that the Lord is God.

    God did not save me to only give half of Him, I preach the full counsel of the word of God, I leave nothing out...I do not sugar coat, for sugar coated preaching is dangerous to the soul.

    Today we hear about the Love of God and yes we should for the epitome of Love is God for God is Love...yet the other side is the wrath of God and the indignation of God...yet all we hear today is the Love of God, which the devil has crept in the buildings to deceive even the elect.

    Just a few scriptures from the Old and New Testament to ponder on.

    Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

    Amos 3:6-7 6 If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it?
    7 Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.

    Psalm 9:17 The wicked will return to hell, Even all the nations who forget God.

    John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    (the pastors of today want to preach John 3:16, but never get to John 3:18 for it does not suit their agenda)

    John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    Hebrews 10:26-31 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

    We are on the cusp of all out chaos / calamity. yet these time were spoken of long ago in the Holy Writ, the very word of God, the Son of God, God the Son said these days would come like birth pains upon a woman...they will begin slowly and then increase with intensity over time. God is angry and His patience has worn thin and judgment is coming upon us.

    My point of this is to show God is the One who is in charge...like it or not. He will bring about His plan for it was spoken long before the foundation of the world was ever laid....and no man can or will ever stop it...for the Lord God sits in the heavens and does as He pleases.

    To the true born again Christian, this should be comforting for we are in the palm of the hand of Jesus and His hand is wrapped by the Hand of the Father and no one can pluck us from His hand and when we die and all will die one day, we will be ushered in to glory with the society of saints....

    and for those who don't know Christ as Lord and Savior, well you to will one day die and it will be a different outcome for you will be cast into the Lake of fire burning with brimstone....Confess now that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart He was raised from the grave and be saved for the one who believes will not be disappointed.

    I'll leave you with the words of the beloved Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.

    Luke 12:5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He (GOD) has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

    Receive Christ now and fear not.

    Confess Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart He was raised from the grave and be saved from eternal suffering and torment.

    Praise be to GOD, One in Three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, to Him be the glory forevermore. in the precious name of Jesus, amen.
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    Do I think masks provide any measurable level of protection? No. However mask wearing is not the hill I will choose to die on. If I go to a retailer that requires one, I wear it without comment, if they don't require it, I don't wear it. The mask generally rides wadded up in my back pocket, and only gets washed when it starts to smell funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodFearingPrepper View Post
    The question is do you fear death....? If you think a mask will slow the spread, then by all means wear one...yet as for me,
    I will not wear one and I will not attempt to shame those who do....last I checked, for those in the US, we still live in a free
    Nation, for how long, that is yet to be determined...but if you read below, you will see the One who will make that determination.

    You will say this is not political, yet I say it is both political and religious, not mans religion, but the religion as spoken by the word of God.


    God unilaterally makes the rules for He is the Sovereign Judge of all the earth and His creation.

    Now let me ask this...Do you fear man....? do you fear death....? read on to know Whom to fear!

    Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge...

    do I fear what is happening, no not all, for I know it is the will of the Lord. The Lord is the One who is Sovereign and He is the One who brings about all things. The written word of God is His revealed will, yet He does have a secret will that we cannot know until things unfold and we see for our own eyes what God is doing...and yes this is of God, whether you want to accept that or not makes no difference to me.

    Can we use scripture to back up my claims...?

    lets start with 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.

    We are to learn from all scripture....now lets turn to the book of Acts and the book of Job:

    Acts 17:26 and He made from one man, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined [their] appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation.

    Job 12:23 "He makes the nations great, then destroys them; He enlarges the nations, then leads them away.

    Both these verse, from the OT and NT back up what each says...so we see we can learn from the OT and the NT alike...

    Are we something to God?...God needs nothing from us...for these words in Isaiah speaks this truth.

    Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, He taketh up the isles as a very little thing. And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering. All nations before Him are as nothing ; and they are counted to Him less than nothing, and vanity. To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto Him? (Isa 40:15-18).

    How vastly different is the God of Scripture from the “god” of the average pulpit preached today!

    The preachers of today are modern day Pharisees, they fill your ears with lies and tell you how good you are to keep the dollars following in to pay the big bills they have accumulated.

    leave the 501c3 church building and see for yourself that the Lord is God.

    God did not save me to only give half of Him, I preach the full counsel of the word of God, I leave nothing out...I do not sugar coat, for sugar coated preaching is dangerous to the soul.

    Today we hear about the Love of God and yes we should for the epitome of Love is God for God is Love...yet the other side is the wrath of God and the indignation of God...yet all we hear today is the Love of God, which the devil has crept in the buildings to deceive even the elect.

    Just a few scriptures from the Old and New Testament to ponder on.

    Isaiah 45:7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.

    Amos 3:6-7 6 If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it?
    7 Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets.

    Psalm 9:17 The wicked will return to hell, Even all the nations who forget God.

    John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    (the pastors of today want to preach John 3:16, but never get to John 3:18 for it does not suit their agenda)

    John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    Hebrews 10:26-31 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

    We are on the cusp of all out chaos / calamity. yet these time were spoken of long ago in the Holy Writ, the very word of God, the Son of God, God the Son said these days would come like birth pains upon a woman...they will begin slowly and then increase with intensity over time. God is angry and His patience has worn thin and judgment is coming upon us.

    My point of this is to show God is the One who is in charge...like it or not. He will bring about His plan for it was spoken long before the foundation of the world was ever laid....and no man can or will ever stop it...for the Lord God sits in the heavens and does as He pleases.

    To the true born again Christian, this should be comforting for we are in the palm of the hand of Jesus and His hand is wrapped by the Hand of the Father and no one can pluck us from His hand and when we die and all will die one day, we will be ushered in to glory with the society of saints....

    and for those who don't know Christ as Lord and Savior, well you to will one day die and it will be a different outcome for you will be cast into the Lake of fire burning with brimstone....Confess now that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart He was raised from the grave and be saved for the one who believes will not be disappointed.

    I'll leave you with the words of the beloved Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.

    Luke 12:5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He (GOD) has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

    Receive Christ now and fear not.

    Confess Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart He was raised from the grave and be saved from eternal suffering and torment.

    Praise be to GOD, One in Three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, to Him be the glory forevermore. in the precious name of Jesus, amen.
    Good Lord! I am a Christian myself, but that is long winded bloviation.
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