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US Tariffs? For or Against?

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#1 ·
I am 100% for Tariffs against Foreign Countries attempting to bring Goods into the US. The Globalists that infiltrated the US Federal Government are guilty of killing manufacturing in the US.

Are you For or Against Tariffs?
 
#3 · (Edited)
Tariffs end up being a zero sum game.
We charge them more, their businesses charge customers more, we are buying from them(hence the trade), so we end up paying the difference.
In retaliation, they charge us more, our businesses charge customers more, they are buying from us(hence the trade), so they end up paying the difference.

So, how are tariffs effectual?
The institution of them, and the ensuing trade war that follows, will strain all parties. As Trump is fully aware, in negotiation, "something's gotta give". He expects that we can sustain a trade war far longer than the Chinese, since they've been blowing all their money on military for the last 10-12 years. The end result? The "Red Dragon" cowers back down and accepts the reality of the situation, that *WE* know he can only blow smoke.
At that point, and with their economy holding on by a thread, they will return to the table. Then what happens? Appropriate agreements are reached, and likely more in favor toward the US since China won't have a leg to stand on anymore. Both economies see a BOOM over the next few decades where we become stronger partners and, dare I say it, allies.
The communist Chinese are not too familiar with the concept of helping up one's "enemy". The US is all too familiar with it.
You can't name a nation in our history that we didn't pour money into after blowing it away. This has resulted in strong allies and amenable relationships.
China will be next. They will feel the squeeze without a shot being fired. They will crack. Then, we will pick them up and lift them to a higher place than they've ever known.

With Eastern cultures, if they are unwilling to see you as an equal, even if an enemy, then you must break them until they fully realize it. It doesn't always take force(Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and we'd like to avoid that at all costs. Tariffs seem like a perfectly reasonable alternative.
 
#6 ·
what has happened to the US manufacturing base is a prime example of what happens when there are unfair trade imbalances - some trade agreements had good intentions initially - like when China first opened up as a market - but trade agreements aren't forever because economies change ....

China is playing hardball chiefly because of the continued domestic stirred by the DNC - I doubt they seriously negotiate until after the 2020 elections >>> and most likely intend to interfere & corrupt the election against Trump's re-election - IE Biden the Manchurian Candidate .....
 
#23 ·
The world is evolving. We need to evolve at a rate superior to that of China to beat them. So saying you are for anything that is juxtaposed to what China comes up with is not in our best interest regarding positioning.
 
#15 ·
Tariffs mean we might pay more but it keeps thing sin line with what it could be made for in America

IE - helps American companies that are trying to compete against countries that allow $1 per hour and a bowl, of rice

I am for some (most) but not all...
$1 in Vietnam is not a dollar in the United States.
 
#22 ·
Why is that nonsense? They are beating us because they are playing the game better. Capitalism under the disguise of communism.
 
#14 ·
Tariffs: The Taxes That Made America Great

That the Smoot-Hawley Tariff caused the Depression of the 1930s is a New Deal myth in which America's schoolchildren have been indoctrinated for decades. The Depression began with the crash of the stock market in 1929, nine months before Smoot-Hawley became law. The real villain: The Federal Reserve…

Full article here.
 
#16 ·
I am for tariffs mainly because our previous president was a weak b...h, and a little compensation is in order. I like what Kauboy said, and agree with him for the most part. However, I would take caution with the Chinese because they have been around a lot longer than us as far as nations go, and there is are reasons for that... One being long game is more important than short. The game is not missed by Chinese leaders. It is missed by us often now days.
 
#18 ·
You may be mistaking the current Chinese power structure with their days of old.
Communism took hold in that country only 70 or so years ago. They're infants by historical standards. Their ancestors wouldn't recognize them now.
The U.S. is the second still-standing country to have maintained a steady and unchanged form of government going on 243 years now. The only other is a 30sq. mi. "micro-state" in Italy, lasting 400+ years.
We'll outlast the red Chinese.
They'll be red, white, and blue within the century, just you wait. :tango_face_wink:
 
#28 ·
Nobody really wins a trade war. Tariffs are a negotiating tool and for far to long, we have not been negotiating. China has a long term goal and they need our money to accomplish it. They will come back to the table, they need us more then we need them, we can wait.
 
#29 ·
Like most of you, I shop at "big ticket" locations, like the mall, when I need something. In truth, I haven't noticed any rise in pricing. In fact, at East Towne Mall the biggest signs you will see are the ones marked "SALE."

Yes, I know that American workers make more money than the Chinese. So what? In fact, like most businesses, they will compete in pricing with other American firms.

And as for all of the "billions of dollars going to foreign concerns," now most of that money can be invested here on updating factories and paying bonuses.

I believe that a Craftsman 1/2 by 9/16s wrench goes for about eight bucks. So after China, that could go to 8.50 or 9 dollars. I think I have purchased three or four of this size in +20 years. Yikes, this American product costs me about 35 cents per year! Oh, the commercialism!
 
#31 ·
I back Trump on this . It is long over due, we need to take a long view of things.
 
#33 ·
I'm for reciprocity. Every country cheats us. We have a 10 dollar widget. If that 10 dollar widget is produced anywhere except the United States. Typically, there may or not be a small percentage import duties, Then the 10 dollar widget cost $1.07. After this it's shipped to a warehouse to be resold. There is another 30% in internal costs. Now the $10.00 widget has a cost of $4.07 and this makes $5.93 cents profit. This where things start getting interesting.

This same $10.00 widget is produced in the US for sale in China. This $10.00 widget costs $5.00 to produce. Now when you try to sell it in China. You have a choice of strict limits to the amount for widgets you can sell in the country with a incoming tax of 25% to 50%. Then if you try to register the intellectual property. You have to sell 50% of your company to someone in China. Either way whether you register or not. Your widget will show up on the open market with a different name in 6 months.

Now lets get back to the $10.00 widget that it costs you $5.00 to produce. You try to sell it in China and now of the $5.00 dollar profit you get to keep. Between $2.50 and nothing. Because the rest of your profit is going to Chinese Government. Then you get to watch your patented widget get produced and sold in China for $5.00 each and sold on Ebay for $5.00 each.

Yes. I'm for tariffs until everyone honors our patents, allows the same amount of cars into their country as we allow into the US, if they put a 10% tariff on our goods, then we should have the same tariff on their goods, and stop subsidizing industries.
 
#40 ·
I hope Trump is right. I'll refrain from judging; see what happens. The potential problem with tariffs is that a lot of the things we produce here in the USA have parts that come from all over the globe. It's just hard to know what the ramifications are going to be.
 
#42 ·
Annie, I listen to a lot of talk radio, and it seems that a lot of libtard representatives are whining about increased costs of production instead of utilizing cheap Chinese out-sourcing. Frankly, if something is too much for you to pay, set the desire aside and be an adult for deferred gratification.

I think we farm out too much to third world manufacturers. Even if the hourly wage is more in the USA, one company will modify it's pricing to compete with other USA companies.

America for Americans.
 
#44 ·
Annie, I listen to a lot of talk radio, and it seems that a lot of libtard representatives are whining about increased costs of production instead of utilizing cheap Chinese out-sourcing. Frankly, if something is too much for you to pay, set the desire aside and be an adult for deferred gratification.
Some businesses may have to shut down if they can't get manufacturing supplies at a good price.

I think we farm out too much to third world manufacturers.
I agree.

Even if the hourly wage is more in the USA, one company will modify it's pricing to compete with other USA companies.
Not sure what you mean here.
 
#46 ·
The other side of this is the Reduction of Regulations.

If we don't reduce regulations and make it more cost effective to produce goods here in the US then we are right back to where we started.

Both president Bush's, Clinton and Obama screwed the shit out of manufacturing by all the regulations that their administrations created. Which is why I have always said, reduce regulations back to the what was on the books in 1990 and we would be a much healthier nation today.
 
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