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50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader

This is a discussion on 50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader within the Black Powder and Muzzleloaders forums, part of the HandGuns, Pistols and Revolvers, Long Rifles, Shotguns, SKS, AK, AR category; Yeah kind of agree with the whole silencer thing got to say I've never even imagine putting one on my black powder. I keep one ...

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    50-State-Legal Suppressed Muzzleloader

    Yeah kind of agree with the whole silencer thing got to say I've never even imagine putting one on my black powder. I keep one because there's an extra deer season around here just for muzzleloading. If crap hits the fan it'll be the one I don't barter for. Get center every time at 150 yards with a 50 caliber makes me feel pretty comfortable three shots a minute I don't think it's too bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawgrider View Post
    Nobody I know use's that Muzzy with a can. But it would be a nice option as my hearing has been damaged over the years from 36 years of machine room and boiler rooms.
    Suppressed is the only way I shoot nowadays. My hearing was damaged years ago serving underground in a Minuteman launch control center plus now with old age, I can't afford to lose any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maine_rm View Post
    Yeah kind of agree with the whole silencer thing got to say I've never even imagine putting one on my black powder. I keep one because there's an extra deer season around here just for muzzleloading. If crap hits the fan it'll be the one I don't barter for. Get center every time at 150 yards with a 50 caliber makes me feel pretty comfortable three shots a minute I don't think it's too bad
    All true . However in todays world with good rifled slugs they are taking deer at 100 yards plus with shot guns. 3 inch mags I know of some taken at 120 yards. Most Deer kills here at 50-150 yards regardless of the weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    All true . However in todays world with good rifled slugs they are taking deer at 100 yards plus with shot guns. 3 inch mags I know of some taken at 120 yards. Most Deer kills here at 50-150 yards regardless of the weapon.
    Farm country where I hunt 300 yds plus are common.
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    No I'm not arguing that a shotgun is not a superior all around weapon by any means. I have never once shot a deer with a shotgun just not what I typically hunt with. I use a 7 mm mag gets me where I need to be every time longest shot of ever made with that was 220 yards. Closest shot was more like 10 yards. Both animals were down with one shot not that I'm not confident with my shotgun I just prefer one shot one kill. It's how I was raised when it comes to hunting if you have to take more than one shot then you weren't prepared to take the first shot. I do have a rifled shotgun and it does sling slugs very nice.and I hear you on the hearing loss I always wear protection when I'm at my shooting field. Being a jet engine mechanic really didn't help much.


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    I LOVE shooting my 1861 Springfield rifled musket! It's a hoot!

    Having said that, it has just about zero value as a prepping tool.

    I have a couple of hunting black powder guns, and several black powder revolvers that would actually be useful in a prepping situation if they weren't the size and weight of a Ford F150. Still, much fun to shoot!

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    I have serious doubts as to the "50 state legal" clain. Here in the Democratik People's Republik of Hellinois, suppressors, in any form, are illegal.

    720 ILCS 5/24
    24-1 a 6: Possesses any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in silencing the report of any firearm;

    Now, I'm not a lawyer, but based on that wording, I have a feeling that they would call any integrated suppressor "illegal". Even if it technically is legal, I have a feeling it'll take YEARS of court cases, and tens of thousands of dollars to be vindicated, and that's assuming that the judges even rule properly. Plus, good luck ever seeing that weapon again.

    Maybe I'm cynical, but living one's entire life in a "Socialist Paradise" has taught me that the law is often meaningless when those that inforce it and adjudicate it often "translate" or "interpret" it as they see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyas View Post
    I have serious doubts as to the "50 state legal" clain. Here in the Democratik People's Republik of Hellinois, suppressors, in any form, are illegal.

    720 ILCS 5/24
    24-1 a 6: Possesses any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in silencing the report of any firearm;

    Now, I'm not a lawyer, but based on that wording, I have a feeling that they would call any integrated suppressor "illegal". Even if it technically is legal, I have a feeling it'll take YEARS of court cases, and tens of thousands of dollars to be vindicated, and that's assuming that the judges even rule properly. Plus, good luck ever seeing that weapon again.

    Maybe I'm cynical, but living one's entire life in a "Socialist Paradise" has taught me that the law is often meaningless when those that inforce it and adjudicate it often "translate" or "interpret" it as they see fit.
    I believe that the article said that it was 50 state legal due to the federal definition a suppressor including "something that is attached to a firearm" piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyas View Post
    I have serious doubts as to the "50 state legal" clain. Here in the Democratik People's Republik of Hellinois, suppressors, in any form, are illegal.

    720 ILCS 5/24
    24-1 a 6: Possesses any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in silencing the report of any firearm;

    Now, I'm not a lawyer, but based on that wording, I have a feeling that they would call any integrated suppressor "illegal". Even if it technically is legal, I have a feeling it'll take YEARS of court cases, and tens of thousands of dollars to be vindicated, and that's assuming that the judges even rule properly. Plus, good luck ever seeing that weapon again.

    Maybe I'm cynical, but living one's entire life in a "Socialist Paradise" has taught me that the law is often meaningless when those that inforce it and adjudicate it often "translate" or "interpret" it as they see fit.
    The article states that this silencer takes advantage of the law's definition of "firearm", and that a muzzleloader does not fall under that definition in the federal law.
    So, check your state's definition of firearm, and if a muzzleloader falls under some other definition, then it would be legal according to what you quoted.

    But yeah... people can be jerks and you'll likely get hassled all the way to court and after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauboy View Post
    The article states that this silencer takes advantage of the law's definition of "firearm", and that a muzzleloader does not fall under that definition in the federal law.
    So, check your state's definition of firearm, and if a muzzleloader falls under some other definition, then it would be legal according to what you quoted.

    But yeah... people can be jerks and you'll likely get hassled all the way to court and after.
    Here in the People's Repuiblik of Hellinois, we have an ID card issued by the State Police called a Firearm Owners Identification Document (FOID). To the best of my knowledge, we're the only state that has one. To the best of my knowledge, you are required to have, and present a FOID card at the time of purchase for a muzzleloader, and you must carry it with you when you use one (shooting, hunting, etc). I believe Illinois even classes ML's as firearms. As such, while it may be legal federally, Illinois' basic blanked prohibition on anything Class III/NFA related stands at the state level I believe.

    Basic point, I believe Hellinois is simply more strict that the Feds on this one. While I accept that I may be 100% incorrect in this, I'll wait until our communist Attorney General (Daughter of the longest running State House Speaker in history) weighs in and says that people won't be prosecuted.

    So basically, I'm waiting for ice water in Hell. lol

 

 
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