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Possible changes DITCHING THE M4

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    Possible changes DITCHING THE M4

    Who could have known a short barrel good for house to house engagements not so good for longer ranges.

    We buy weapons and train to fight the last war. I do think we should look at a infantry weapon with a longer range and have he ability to issue a short barrel verses a longer barrel weapon to battalions depending on deployment / theater of operations. Perhaps some thing that has the controls - forward assist, safety/selector switch , magazines , triggers the same - same heaver round but have two rifles one with a short barrel one with a longer barrel and better scope.


    Or perhaps a heavier round than 5.56 but changeable barrels.

    anyway here is an article criticizing the M4 's use in Afghanistan. https://www.stripes.com/news/experts...0#.WR3f-fnyvIV
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    A jack of all trades is a master of none. Best to have an utterly reliable weapon and have specialist units for deployment on specialized things. Imperfect but where is the do it all weapon? Logistics of a changeable platform or multiple weapons as well as traing funds?
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    It sure is a fire breather when the fight is up close and personal. I have fired one on full auto, during training; and emptied at least 6 mags, as fast as I could. It was impressive.
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    Nice, hadn't heard this yet. It seems though SOCOM is out in front on this one, like usual...

    I posted about it awhile back. They Aren't Saying the 7.62 Actually Sucks...

    This one is good article too:

    SOCOM Is Looking For A New Multi-Caliber Sniper Rifle
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    I keep a 5.56/.223 rifle handy around the homestead as a "grab quick" varmint rifle. A Mini 14 Ranch Rifle, actually.
    I have used the 5.56 in a military role, and it's OK. But there are better choices against humanoids and animals larger than a dog, at least for me, since I don't have to hump the boonies anymore.
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    You guys are probably sick and tired of hearing it from me, 6.5 Grendel !!! Up close or at 800 meters it does not matter.
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    Now, what's that cartridge that will fit in an AR15 platform and has the power of the old 45-70 Government?
    It's a 50 cal, but I'm drawing a blank.
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    My 450 bushmaster fits that bill. But you might be thinking of the 458 SOCOM.
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    How about a Garand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunn View Post
    My 450 bushmaster fits that bill. But you might be thinking of the 458 SOCOM.
    I remember -- .50Beowulf.
    A 50 caliber, 300 grain slug at almost 2,000 fps.
    The same ballistics as a 300 grain 47-70.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Beowulf

    Check out the picture of the 50 vs 5.56
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