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This is a discussion on US gov / state gov about prepping? within the General Prepper and Survival Talk forums, part of the Survivalist, Prepper, Bushcrafter, Forest Rangers category; Originally Posted by NotTooProudToHide Thats one good thing my state has going for it http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=11130 One of the few decent things our politicians have done ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotTooProudToHide View Post
    Thats one good thing my state has going for it

    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=11130



    One of the few decent things our politicians have done in the last decade
    That may all be well and true, but if you think "the law" will protect you when the SHTF, I think you may be in for heartbreak. Too damn many "public officials", including police chiefs, etc (which all too often are nothing but political appointees/hacks) have this idea that the law will go out the window and they will do what ever they want. They figure that if things come back later, they can sort it out in court, if you even have enough evidence to take it there. Just look what happened during Katrina.

    Also, what happens if you stand your ground and refuse to hand over your firearms hat they are attempting to illegally take? Odds are that if they are willing to piss on the law to try and take them, they won't back down when you waive it in their faces. You'll have to use force to prevent it. Possibly even kill. Even if you win this engagement, if the world doesn't totally go to WROL, and society comes back again, you will likely be on the hook for killing/assaulting/etc an LEO. Some DA/ADA will likely make the case that you were not justified in using force, and instead should have used the courts to remedy your situation.

    That's why I think everyone needs a secure and hidden place to story their firearms in case of a SHTF event where the local government doesn't collapse. You can stash everything you can't risk logins, and not wind up in that situation.

    Now NotTooProudToHide, you live in a red state, and I'm jealous. Maybe KY and your local/state police wouldn't do such a thing, and my views are just 100% paranoia mixed with living my entire life as a subject in a socialist state that truly detests firearm owners. But can you really take that chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyas View Post
    That may all be well and true, but if you think "the law" will protect you when the SHTF, I think you may be in for heartbreak. Too damn many "public officials", including police chiefs, etc (which all too often are nothing but political appointees/hacks) have this idea that the law will go out the window and they will do what ever they want. They figure that if things come back later, they can sort it out in court, if you even have enough evidence to take it there. Just look what happened during Katrina.

    Also, what happens if you stand your ground and refuse to hand over your firearms hat they are attempting to illegally take? Odds are that if they are willing to piss on the law to try and take them, they won't back down when you waive it in their faces. You'll have to use force to prevent it. Possibly even kill. Even if you win this engagement, if the world doesn't totally go to WROL, and society comes back again, you will likely be on the hook for killing/assaulting/etc an LEO. Some DA/ADA will likely make the case that you were not justified in using force, and instead should have used the courts to remedy your situation.

    That's why I think everyone needs a secure and hidden place to story their firearms in case of a SHTF event where the local government doesn't collapse. You can stash everything you can't risk logins, and not wind up in that situation.

    Now NotTooProudToHide, you like in a red state, and I'm jealous. Maybe KY and your local/state police wouldn't do such a thing, and my views are just 100% paranoia mixed with living my entire life as a subject in a socialist state that truly detests firearm owners. But can you really take that chance?
    You are right, when its going down laws like this one are just words, you have a choice to make as far as hiding, giving in, or resisting, personally I would be like you and would stash my guns somewhere where they where available but safe. What this law does is give you protection under the law afterwords when things are being settled in court. It makes orders like the ones given post Katrina where all guns found where seized are illegal and the police will have to return them to you or compensate you financially for your loss.

    That being said, when its going down you probably shouldn't be that guy or girl waltzing down main street wearing a plate carrier loaded down with mags, a pistol on your hip and a rifle in your hands or over your shoulders. I'm not saying you shouldn't be armed, I carry every day when things are fine but discretion is the better part of valor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotTooProudToHide View Post
    You are right, when its going down laws like this one are just words, you have a choice to make as far as hiding, giving in, or resisting, personally I would be like you and would stash my guns somewhere where they where available but safe. What this law does is give you protection under the law afterwords when things are being settled in court. It makes orders like the ones given post Katrina where all guns found where seized are illegal and the police will have to return them to you or compensate you financially for your loss.

    That being said, when its going down you probably shouldn't be that guy or girl waltzing down main street wearing a plate carrier loaded down with mags, a pistol on your hip and a rifle in your hands or over your shoulders. I'm not saying you shouldn't be armed, I carry every day when things are fine but discretion is the better part of valor.
    We agree completely. There may well be a day when the dress code you mention above is the "minimum standard" for leaving the house. In that case, so be it! But for a Katrina-like event, etc, where I think there's a good chance that the government will be reestablished, discretion is indeed the better part of valor.

    Also, it's a GREAT reason to have pictures of your firearms, serial numbers, and if possible documented purchase info as well. Keep this info safe, secure, and hidden as well. Even after winning in court, the victims of confiscation in Katrina paid hell to get their weapons back without every single "i" dotted and "t" crossed.

    Should we have to jump through these hoops? HELL NO! But if the gov is ready to piss on your rights as a citizen and illegally confiscate your goods in the first place, do you trust that they'll "play nice" and give them back after you wage war on them in the courts?

    Sad, disgusting state of affairs we find ourselves in. Just one of oh so many reasons my wife and I are getting out of this "socialist paradise".
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    72 hours... enough beans and butter to let the average schmuck "feel" prepared for whatever may come.
    72 hours... enough time to close the banks and roads... and set up check points.
    72 hours... enough time for store shelves to be picked clean.
    72 hours... enough time to mobilize national guard and DHS resources to "secure" urban and suburban areas.

    84 hours... you're screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whoppo View Post
    72 hours... enough beans and butter to let the average schmuck "feel" prepared for whatever may come.
    72 hours... enough time to close the banks and roads... and set up check points.
    72 hours... enough time for store shelves to be picked clean.
    72 hours... enough time to mobilize national guard and DHS resources to "secure" urban and suburban areas.

    84 hours... you're screwed.
    have told my brother since day 1... he has 2 days tops to make it here in the event of a major flush... after that, the zombies will roam.. would be nice if the sheeple all had 3 days worth of crap to buy him another day..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by paraquack View Post
    Anybody ever try to look up nuclear bomb prep info like building a fallout shelter?
    Everything is 50ish years old. but the overlords have their shelters up and supplied,
    waiting for the big one.
    Agree they should update guidance.

    I would start with what they put out , look at all the sites selling shelters, try to go visit a manufacturer or two then decide if you want to buy or build.

    If you build steal ideas from everyone.

    I would build the shelter under the house or a tunnel from the house basement to it. A Modern idea I would incorporate is solar panels to power the home both before and during the event, an antifreeze hot water heat transfer system to heat hot water for the home before the event and the shelter during and a modern air filtration system.

    If you build the place on a well you could have water piped into your shelter. Radiation meter to check it. It is possible to excavate for the shelter then drill the well so that it is inside the shelter. Many old homes were built over or right next to a well.

    If your elevations work right , you would need to be on a hill or at least have one direction needs to fall off in elevation pretty quick, if you had that you could run a waste pipe out of your shelter if you got a well giving you water no reason why not to have a flush toilet if you have a drain line again elevations got to be just right. My current waste line is too high . But if I had built this place new I would have put a waste line below the basement . In a SHTF situation I could see just running it out on the ground but it is also possible to run it into a lagoon or lateral system . If done right you could make the shelter waste system the same one the house normally uses .

    I saw a new home built last summer that had a garage in part of the basement but then it had a living area as well . 10 foot ceilings and a 2 foot thick concrete cap on it. A couple staircases from the upstairs led to steel entry doors . Steel doors to enter the basement from the garage area . The living area in the basement was over 1000 sf. I did not look as the contractor asked me not to but it looked like he was installing wiring for a solar set up and an air filtration system . The waste water system for the house was such that it had toilets and sinks in the basement as well as on the first floor. Besides that thick concrete roof and thicker than normal walls this basement had no windows. It had interior rooms that were made with concrete walls looked like the interior walls were needed to support the roof it had steel post as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egyas View Post
    That's why I think everyone needs a secure and hidden place to story their firearms in case of a SHTF event where the local government doesn't collapse.
    Agree you need to have arms to use and arms hidden away for Just in Case.
    Survival Actions I need to do NOW to live another 5 minutes to 3 days. Prepping What I do to insure my family makes it thru an adverse event lasting 3 days to 3 months Seeds and livestock What you need for long term subsistence.

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    I'm not looking for a fight with the local government and I doubt the local police would even be willing to confiscate guns or "excess" food but.

    The food and weapons we legally purchased instead of paying for a trip to Disney Land (or whatever) are ours. It's additional insurance we paid for instead of blowing money on a fancy new car. If, and I doubt this will ever be the case around here, the government attempts to take what we lawfully purchased, grew, stored, ect using money and hard work we honestly earned then I will refuse to go quietly into that abyss of starvation and being defenseless.

    Maybe in California or Vermont the local police may attempt to confiscate food and weapons but around here I seriously doubt it would ever happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I'm not looking for a fight with the local government and I doubt the local police would even be willing to confiscate guns or "excess" food but.

    The food and weapons we legally purchased instead of paying for a trip to Disney Land (or whatever) are ours. It's additional insurance we paid for instead of blowing money on a fancy new car. If, and I doubt this will ever be the case around here, the government attempts to take what we lawfully purchased, grew, stored, ect using money and hard work we honestly earned then I will refuse to go quietly into that abyss of starvation and being defenseless.

    Maybe in California or Vermont the local police may attempt to confiscate food and weapons but around here I seriously doubt it would ever happen.

    the fat mayors and the copper's families don't get hungry? - you're being REALLY naive guy - you have unprepared sheeple down there just like the rest of the country ....
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    back to the original OP topic of US gooberment CD prep asked by our resident Swede ....

    here's what our Swede's gooberment is doing - even more indication that they are taking the war prep seriously ....


    Report: Sweden Re-Activates Cold War Bunkers Over Fears of Russian Invasion
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