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This is a discussion on Gas Masks? within the General Prepper and Survival Talk forums, part of the Survivalist, Prepper, Bushcrafter, Forest Rangers category; Originally Posted by RJAMES I say get what you can when you can. One piece advice if you are getting this for work especially if ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJAMES View Post
    I say get what you can when you can. One piece advice if you are getting this for work especially if you are wearing it for 6 to 8 hours at a time- painting, asbestos removal, treating TB patients what ever I always tried to put guys in a unit that has a filter and a pump so it is pushing clean cool air into your face. Power filer unit.

    Does your work require any kind of disposable clothing or could it. Look at TVEK suits. Water resistant TVEK suit especially with a rain suit worn over it duct taped with rubber boots and rubber gloves you got a inexpensive MOPP suit. MOPP Is military talk for chemical/biological/ nuclear protective gear.
    My HRA benifits cover work related safety supplies. Wearing the mask at work wouldn't be necessary but a mask would be covered if I decide to buy one. Regarding tyvek suits it depends on the job site. I've worked in a pharmaceutical plant before where the outfit I was with provided tyvek suits - something that came in handy when crawling over shredded insulation. Call me a wimp, but I am NOT a fan of being covered in fiberglass from head to toe, nor do I want it coating every inch of the interior of my car. If I work in a place that provides them again I'll be sure to grab a couple pair.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLion View Post
    There is a reason that the military uses protective masks with individual lenses for each eye. It is easier to effectively shoot versus one large face lense.

    Here is a protective mask that could fit the bill for you. Approved Gas Masks - Forsheda A4 Kits with NBC Filter Canister Otherwise there are several other very good masks available on this site.
    I hadn't thought into depth about it, but now that you mention it that makes a lot of sense. It'd be pretty tough to kiss a string or aim down a scope with the mask on.

    I think I'd have to go for a work-related looking type like the 3M respirators though. As I said I've pushed the buck before with them so I don't want to go too crazy.

    I think the most likely scenario for me is LE lobbing cans of teargas or something similar, rather than a chemical spill as I don't live anywhere close to a chem plant or place that uses lots of hazardous chemicals. In that situation my #1 priority would be to GTFO - I'm not exactly fond of the idea of going toe to toe with LE -
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    Approved Gas Masks | Gas Masks and Filters, Chemical Suits and More

    big supplier to the various industries and gooberment agencies ....



    here's another one that's been growing since 2000 y2k days - http://www.emergencymasks.com/
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    I wear glasses and did not like the military frame for my mask. I bought a frame from RANGER JOES that enabled me to take the lenses out of my Protective Mask Glasses and put them in the frame. Worked well with my issue mask as well as several civilian mask I have used. The frame was easy the hard part is finding a Civilian optometrist to order the lenses in the correct size. I just wore my field glasses it actually sped up my time getting my mask on as I was no longer trying take my glasses off while putting on the mask.

    I should mention 3M also supplies lots of gear to firefighters and hazmat crews as well.
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    The frames I have came from Galls inc.

    The edging machine template came with them.

    I just brought them to my optometrist and he cut the blanks right there in the office.

    The frames have a rubber headband so you can wear them at anytime.

    These are the only lenses I have that are bifocal.

    The frames are at ranger joe's, link below.

    ,http://www.rangerjoes.com/Assets/Pro...ages/03892.jpg

    I checked Gall's they don't carry them anymore.
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    I use a very similar full face mask in my work. I am a home inspector. Mine is very comfortable and easy to use. When you are shopping for one I suggest you go to a brick and mortar to test out. Some of the seals are more rigid and uncomfortable. The better rubber is softer and more comfortable to use which creates a better seal. Make sure you store it properly unless you use frequently. The rubber can get brittle over time. You may want to treat it periodically to keep it from drying out. Then just find appropriate filters.

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    Polish MC-1 Gas Mask ? Original Polish Surplus Gas Mask Includes Filter and Bag - Keepshooting®

    Has the Polish Gas Masks with filter, with carrier for $4.95 pus shipping on sale. Does not say when it will end. For the price, its worth it just for the filters.
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    Mask and Filter Info

    I did some research into this and I found this, (sorry, I do not have the link) but I did try this out at a gun show. I had the info with me on the lot numbers and I found some of what the author is referring too. Lots of technical stull here that I don't have a clue about. I do know one thing. I put my mask on with one of these filters and I went under my house and popped off 6 bug bombs, I was in a complete fog down there and only my headlamp could be seen and the crawlspace door, so it was pretty saturated with the gas. I had no issue at all down there, and at first I thought it was not that big of a deal until I crawled out and took off my mask just a bit too early. I was outside but I guess to close to the opening and I got a gulp of that crap. Coughed my guts out for awhile, and had a raspy throat the rest of the day. So that mask (current standard issue GI mask and filters) REALLY worked. I had all my NBC training in the Army many years ago so I know how it all works.

    I don't have these masks for a true chemical environment or nuclear, more toward riot control stuff, CS etc. If caught up in that I want to be able to maneuver. I don't plan on being involved in that type of thing but just one more thing I try to prepare for.

    Here is all the info I have.

    C2A1. Filters

    Filter
    Gas mask
    C2A1
    4240-01-361-1319

    Just a brief note on effectiveness of the C2A1 filter, duration of use, and the recall that took place a few years back.

    The C2A1 filter has a place in lots of survivalists CRBN preps due to its effectiveness, cost, and relatively long life in storage. It doesn't hurt that it is the current issue filter for the US Armed Services as well as Canada and other forces as well.
    Made here in the US by 3M, it incorporates a p100 level particulate filter and activated carbon to protect against a large number of threats, including Sarin and its companion DMMP, Hydrogen Cyanide, Phosgene, Chlorine, Sulphur Dioide, Hydrogen Chloride, CS and CN (tear) gas, the blood agent CK and the nasty pseudo-nerve agent PS.
    It does not protect against ammonia or ammonium-based compounds, and it's duration against some of the agents listed here range from a high of around 8 hours for tear agents to a low of just 15 minutes for Sulphur Dioxide. The average duration before the filter begins to lose effectiveness is around 20 to 30 minutes for most of the other agents.
    Plan your preps accordingly.

    In 2006 the Army identified a number of lots of the C2A1 filters that "might not provide a correct standard of protection" and so sent them for testing. The ones that passed were stenciled with a large "T" on the side; they are good as gold. The ones that failed, or at least some of them, were, you guessed it, surplussed off. I've seen some of these filters appear for sale on ebay. The following lot #s should be considered safe for use with riot agents or for practice use only:
    MMB03B031-001
    MMB03E035-007
    MMB03G035-015
    MMB03B033-001
    MMB03E035-008
    MMB03G035-016A
    MMB03C035-001
    MMB03E035-009
    MMB03G035-016B
    MMB03C035-002
    MMB03E035-010
    MMB03G035-017
    MMB03C035-003
    MMB03F035-011
    MMB03H035-018
    MMB03D035-004
    MMB03F035-012
    MMB03H035-019
    MMB03D035-005
    MMB03F035-013
    MMB03H035-020
    MMB03D035-006
    MMB03G035-014
    MMB04K035-060
    MMB03J035-021
    MMB04A035-033
    MMB04D035-045
    MMB03J035-022
    MMB04A035-034
    MMB04E035-046
    MMB03J035-023
    MMB04A035-035
    MMB04E035-047
    MMB03K035-024
    MMB04A035-036
    MMB04E035-048
    MMB03K035-025
    MMB04B035-037
    MMB04F035-049
    MMB03K035-026
    MMB04B035-038
    MMB04F035-050
    MMB03K035-027
    MMB04B035-039
    MMB04F035-051
    MMB03L035-028
    MMB04C035-040
    MMB04G035-052
    MMB03L035-029
    MMB04C035-041
    MMB04G035-053
    MMB03M035-030
    MMB04C035-042
    MMB04H035-054
    MMB03M035-031
    MMB04D035-043
    MMB04H035-055
    MMB03M035-032
    MMB04D035-044
    MMB04J035-056
    MMB04J035-057
    MMB04L035-065
    MMB05B035-072
    MMB04J035-058
    MMB04L035-066
    MMB05C035-073
    MMB04J035-059
    MMB04L035-067
    MMB05C035-074
    MMB04K035-061
    MMB05A035-068
    MMB05C035-075
    MMB04K035-062
    MMB05A035-069
    MMB05C035-076
    MMB04K035-063
    MMB05A035-070
    MMB05E035-077
    MMB04L035-064
    MMB05B035-071
    MMB05E035-078
    MMB03L035-028
    MMB04C035-040
    MMB04G035-052
    MMB03L035-029
    MMB04C035-041
    MMB04G035-053
    MMB03M035-030
    MMB04C035-042
    MMB04H035-054
    MMB03M035-031
    MMB04D035-043
    MMB04H035-055
    MMB03M035-032
    MMB04D035-044
    MMB04J035-056
    MMB04J035-057
    MMB04L035-065
    MMB05B035-072
    MMB04J035-058
    MMB04L035-066
    MMB05C035-073
    MMB04J035-059
    MMB04L035-067
    MMB05C035-074
    MMB04K035-061
    MMB05A035-068
    MMB05C035-075
    MMB04K035-062
    MMB05A035-069
    MMB05C035-076
    MMB04K035-063
    MMB05A035-070
    MMB05E035-077
    MMB04L035-064
    MMB05B035-071
    MMB05E035-078


    Oh, and the shelf life of the C2A1 is supposedly 10 years, but I've seen several army documents extending the shelf life of some of the plastic canned (not the tin can versions) up to 12 years or longer....for what that is worth.
    Date of manufacture is going to be the first two numbers and letter...so MMB05A035-01 is January 2005 manufacture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaterielGeneral View Post
    Polish MC-1 Gas Mask ? Original Polish Surplus Gas Mask Includes Filter and Bag - Keepshooting®

    Has the Polish Gas Masks with filter, with carrier for $4.95 pus shipping on sale. Does not say when it will end. For the price, its worth it just for the filters.

    there's probably an absolute ton of these masks available for surplus buy overseas - the Poles are pouring $$$$$ into their military and the civilian CD preps - upgrading along with Israel for the more modern CBC possibilities ....

    don't think you need a mask like this? .... perfectly OK for pandemic duty - and there's always the possibility of some burial duty in your future ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    there's probably an absolute ton of these masks available for surplus buy overseas - the Poles are pouring $$$$$ into their military and the civilian CD preps - upgrading along with Israel for the more modern CBC possibilities ....

    don't think you need a mask like this? .... perfectly OK for pandemic duty - and there's always the possibility of some burial duty in your future ....
    Yes, I believe anything a prepper or survivalist (same thing in my book) needs a mask for this mask or any surplus mask can handle. If it is a chemical agent attack you are dead regardless of the mask you have. You do not have the intelligence to let you know an attack in imminent and you do not have the DECON facility, equipment or manpower to properly decontaminate you.

    Now fallout it will filter, pandemic it will filter, CS/OC teargas it will filter, you just need to have the personal protection equipment to go along with the mask. Hazmat or Tyvek suit, gloves(I bought the military MOPP gloves because they were cheap and stronger than civilian gloves), foot protection and if you have to go out in a pandemic then something to decontaminate with. Home Depot sells a pump up sprayer meant for using bleach with it. Get this model because the O rings are made to be used with bleach. Bleach Water is really good for decontamination. Bacteria does not like bleach and virus's.
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    I bought six of the Polish masks, filters and bags linked above and received them yesterday. I was rather impressed. I believe the masks were used but they were in pretty good shape. The carrier bags looked new and the filters were still sealed.

    I also bought two of these bags for $1.95

    Czech M85 Bag with Shoulder Strap - Keepshooting®

    I like them, they are the perfect size to put a mask/carrier, HAZMAT suit, gloves, and shoe covers in them. I ordered 6 more. the six and shipping came to around $20.00
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