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    Quote Originally Posted by MaterielGeneral View Post
    Survival Fishing

    You hear a lot about hunting after a SHTF event and the animals being over hunted and hard to find but you do not hear a lot about fishing for the survival situation. Fish are a good source of lean protein and usually take little effort to get. You just have to have bait and time.

    The comments that I hear about the most in survival communication are fishing pole and YoYo fishing reels being the popular choice. There are how ever different fishing methods. Depending where you live some of these methods are illegal. In Michigan if you fart in the water its illegal so most of these techniques are for after WROL. Fishing and hunting for frogs can also give older kids and teens something to do instead of thinking about the bug out or how crappy a SHTF event is. Factors you will have to consider is how safe is the water, depth, is it fast moving etc.

    As I mentioned above YoYo Fishing Reels, they're pretty popular in the survival community. Once a fish bites and pulls the bait. The reel will set the hook and partially reel it in. You usually tie the reel to an object near the water or even a float on the water. These reels allow you to go about your tasks while they do the fishing for you. These are a common item for the bug out bags.

    Fishing poles come in many different sizes but for bug out bags if someone does want a pole then the telescopic pole is a common choice. You don't really need a pole though, nature can provide the pole, you just have to provide the line, hook and sinker.

    Trotlines, I believe trotlines are a Southern technique. They are a essentially a horizontal line as long as you desire with vertical lines hanging down from it, with a fish hook at the bottom. There are variations where the trotline is submerged, but high enough to keep the hooks off of the bottom and you can float it with longer vertical lines to reach deeper into the water. If you float it, then you have to watch out for motorboat motors getting tangled in the line if they are still in operation.

    Gill nets, gill nets are basically a mesh style net that when the fish try to swim thru it and cant, it tries to back out and the gills get caught and the fish is trapped. After a set amount of time you simply reel the net in to the boat or land and remove the fish from the net as you go. Once you have removed all of the fish you replace the net back into the water.

    Spears, fishing spears are generally for shallow water and involves you being in the water but you can get smaller spears that can be used on frogs and fish.

    If you look on YouTube you can find many videos on how to use the tools listed above. If you look on eBay, walmart.com and other internet company's you can find the above listed items. If you have local mom and pop stores then check them out. You probably wont pay much more than a chain and you will be supporting your community.

    Questions, comments?


    questionable fishing method we Northerners don't have much history with is electrical shocking - more common down South - the old timers took the crank crank transformer from the old phone systems and used that for some quiky fish dinners .... eazy enough to come up with a modern version ....
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    I was going to mention for a WROL time period only is using explosives. I'll leave at that.
    A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished. Proverbs 22:3 NKJV

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    Nuclear and Pandemic Preparations, it gets good starting around the 3rd page.

    Nuclear and Pandemic Preparations
    A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself, But the simple pass on and are punished. Proverbs 22:3 NKJV

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    Great info here, thanks so much!
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    This is a lot of help to start of as a new prepper
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    Alternative Communication and Security

    During and after a serious SHTF incident like an EMP or a terrorist attack. We may loose power and if it is a long term event then generators will eventually run out of fuel, rechargeable batteries will wear out. We just may have to learn to adapt without electricity. Without power then you will not be able to operate electronic communication systems.

    For many of us we depend on radios to communicate with others as part of our security protocols. I am going to briefly write about different methods of non electrical communication means and other security methods that may include solar/batteries.

    During WW2 at the beginning of D Day. Airborne soldiers behind enemy lines used a cricket children toy to signal friend from foe.. Here is a reproduction cricket clicker that was used during D Day.
    D-DAY US Paratrooper Signaling Cricket | eBay They are going for $9.99 each or so on eBay depending on the listing.

    For an alternative with a much cheaper price, this eBay listing is a dozen children cricket clickers for $4.98 with free shipping. Other listings of the same product were wanting around $8.00 for a dozen. I was impressed with the clickers when they arrived most of the product is made out of metal.
    Lot of 12 Colorful Insect Clicker Bug Noise Makers | eBay

    These clicker could be used in the same manner as the WW2 soldiers used them. You can use these assuming you have manpower made up of friends and family members to guard your homestead. If you are smart you will have LP and OP positions to alert you of incoming threats, guards on your entrances and roving guards. These clickers could be issued to your guards so in the middle of the night if they need to challenge someone they can use the clicker and it wont immediately give away their position like a voice will. Then the response will be another clicker.

    Other forms of communication could be:

    Powerful whistle. Different tweets on the whistle could mean different things or just the whistle could be attack or retreat.

    You can get 12ga booby traps. The booby trap uses a blank round, or a CS teargas round or a flare. Other rounds like buckshot could be used but they will ruin the devise and the fact that setting it up with this type of ammunition is dangerous especially if you have kids in the area. This warning devise is awesome as it can guard your perimeter when you are not.

    Smoke Grenades, when I say grenades, I am not necessarily speaking of military smoke, just a smoke generating devise in general. Smoke can be useful for screening troop movements or using a certain color like red, it can be used to order a retreat. There are a couple different types. There is the generally less expensive fuse lit and the pull ignition. The pull ignition is quicker but more expensive and you have to pay for an add on HAZMAT shipping charge. The fuse lit ones you just pay a shipping fee.

    Flare Guns, harder to get is the 26.5mm European flare guns and flares. They are getting harder to get and more expensive if you can find them. They manufactured black, blue, orange smoke rounds. Red, red rain, green flares and the best flare is the white illumination parachute flare. These flares really light up the area. If you can find them they will be over $100.00 for a box of 10. Because the military flares are slowly drying up someone decided to make an adapter. You can buy a 12ga to 26.5mm adapter allowing you to use marine 12ga flares and other civilian 12ga flares like red, green, white, blue and yellow. The same as the other devises listed, you can have different meanings for the different color flares or for daytime use you could use the different smoke flares. Note the smoke generated from the flare is not enough for screening movement just for marking a location or for communication purposes. It only lasts for a several seconds. The white illumination parachute flare is basically for self defense purposes. If you think you are being probed or infiltrated then touch off one of these flares and it lights up an acre +/-. U.S. Troops are taught to instantly drop prone and keep your shooting eye closed to save your night vision when a flare is illuminating your location. You need to train your prepper group to do the same until they have to fire. Chances are if a marauding group is trying your position out. There not going to know what is going on so it will give your people a chance to take them out. Just be prepared to pop off another illuminating flare before the other one goes out.

    Now some other warning methods that you can use on your perimeter or other tactical locations is solar powered motion activated light. For locations where there is not a lot of sun to recharge the batteries with the solar panel like in a woodline there is a battery powered motion activated light. The one that I have takes 3 or 4 C batteries. On eBay you can find battery operated exterior motion activated alarm. You just have to learn to research a little. It takes time.

    I will list some links to companies that I am watching and thinking about ordering from.

    12ga booby trap
    12 Gauge Security Control System - HV005

    12 GA perimeter alarm

    AmericanSpecialtyAmmo.com

    12ga flare adapter
    12 Gauge Insert Adapter for your 26.5mm Flare Gun - Keepshooting®

    12ga flare
    AmericanSpecialtyAmmo.com

    Replacement blanks & Flares for perimeter alarm

    Exotic Shotgun Ammo

    26.5mm flare
    Dan's Sporting Goods Ammo Page

    Survival Supplies - Featured Items - Military Shooters LLC

    AmericanSpecialtyAmmo.com

    Smoke
    Sport Smoke | smoke grenades, tactical smoke grenade, paintball smoke grenades, airsoft smoke grenades, tsg, battlefield smoke grenades, pb200, sportsman, smoke bombs, smoke grenades for sale
    I have ordered from sportsmoke before. Everything went well and the product produced a lot of smoke 40,000 cft is a lot of smoke.
    PB-400 Smoke Grenade

    1 5 minute smoke bomb or canister

    1 White smoke stick

    What did I miss? What have you planned for that I did not mention?
    Last edited by MaterielGeneral; 03-02-2017 at 03:45 PM. Reason: added text
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    I forgot to mention air horns in the post.* The kind you buy in the watercraft section of Walmart or wherever store.* You can buy them for sport events also.* Those would be good for perimeter or gate guards to warn of an unwelcome guest.

    Flags, arm and hand signals are used in the military when you do not want to make noise or at a distance while on patrol or when your trying to maintain radio silence.
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    Thank you so much for all the feedback, that's a lot to take in but it will be a work in progress. Thanks again for the feedback MaterialGeneral.
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    Yes a lot of great information to take in and much we haven't thought of. Great thread.

    To add to the mix, I think knowledge & skills are as important as stuff and I'd suggest to learn & practice as much as possible before actually needing it. We are more of the 'sustainable living' type, but I think it's only a fine line that divides those sustainable vs prepper. Preppers prep with a purpose in mind and sustainability is a lifestyle. Or that's how I see it anyway. Either/or, there's nothing wrong about being prepared.

    It's been a few years since we've been, but we love to go camping and had taught our kids some basic survival skills just in case they ever got lost. They also were fans of the numerous Survival programs on tv that spurred them to practice some of what they seen &/or find other sources of info. Such as starting a fire with a magnifying glass, paper & twigs....It took them a while, but they did it.

    They also found on their own how to open a can without a can opener using a concrete block.


    Here is a list that I have used as a general guideline for things to stockpile. I've also considered having a few things on hand that we don't want or need....just for barter purposes. Just because we wouldn't use something, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. But then space IS a consideration.

    100 Items to Disappear First

    100 Items to Disappear First

    1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
    2. Water Filters/Purifiers
    3. Portable Toilets
    4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
    5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
    6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
    7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
    8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
    9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
    10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
    11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
    12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
    13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
    14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
    15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
    16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
    17. Survival Guide Book.
    18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
    19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
    20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
    21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
    22. Vitamins
    23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
    24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
    25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
    26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
    27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
    28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
    29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
    30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
    31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
    32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
    33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
    34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
    35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
    36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
    37. First aid kits
    38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
    39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
    40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
    41. Flour, yeast & salt
    42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
    43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
    44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
    45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
    46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
    47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
    48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
    49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
    50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
    51. Fishing supplies/tools
    52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
    53. Duct Tape
    54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
    55. Candles
    56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
    57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
    58. Garden tools & supplies
    59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
    60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
    61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
    62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
    63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
    64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
    65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
    66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
    67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
    68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
    69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
    70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
    71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
    72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
    73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
    74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
    75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
    76. Reading glasses
    77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
    78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
    79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
    80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
    81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
    82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
    83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
    84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
    85. Lumber (all types)
    86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
    87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
    88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
    89. Lantern Hangers
    90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
    91. Teas
    92. Coffee
    93. Cigarettes
    94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
    95. Paraffin wax
    96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
    97. Chewing gum/candies
    98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
    99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
    100. Goats/chickens

    From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
    Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
    friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

    1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
    *** near renewable food sources.
    2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
    3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
    ** quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
    4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
    ** do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
    5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
    *** heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
    *** the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
    *** enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
    *** bulk.
    6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
    *** valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
    *** guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
    *** have a lot of time on your hands.
    7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
    *** people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
    *** toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
    *** lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
    8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches
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    Address the seven domains in some significant way:

    1. Sturdy shelter. You need the shelter to protect the rest of the stuff on this list. Unless it's really bad, address shelter before you even look for water.
    2. Security. If you can't keep it, you don't own it.
    3. Water, including replenishable water such as a well with hand pump.
    4. Food, eventually including a way to raise your own.
    5. Energy. You don't necessarily have to live without electricity. If you can generate your own (solar, wind) in all but a few scenarios you can still use some electric appliances. And there are other ways to provide for energy if you decide you will live without electricity in a post-crisis world. But do plan ahead.
    6. Medicine. Don't overlook over the over the counter medications.
    7. Communications. You'll be blind to what's coming if you can't communicate.

    If you work on making at least a showing in each of those domains, this will keep you from over-emphasizing one domain and totally ignoring others. Balance is key. Too many new preppers seem to think they will shoot their way to survival. Security is only one part of the picture.

    Start on these seven domains NOW. You can't wait until the EMP or pandemic are here and then begin to prep. Your garden, for instance, needs to have been in operation for several years because soil has a memory. Good luck finding a company to build you a solar energy system after the dollar has lost its purchasing power. Practice with your firearms now while there is time to learn. Start now.

 

 
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